1 00:00:27,370 --> 00:00:18,290 [Music] 2 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:27,380 the smoke radio for the masses of July 8 3 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:30,720 1947 the Army Air Forces has announced 4 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:33,120 that a flying disc has been found and is 5 00:00:38,209 --> 00:00:35,280 now in the possession of the army 6 00:00:41,990 --> 00:00:38,219 game is real change the game game 7 00:00:45,650 --> 00:00:42,000 changer I occasionally think how quickly 8 00:00:49,010 --> 00:00:45,660 our differences worldwide would vanish 9 00:00:50,350 --> 00:00:49,020 if we were facing an alien threat from 10 00:00:52,190 --> 00:00:50,360 outside this work 11 00:00:52,350 --> 00:00:52,200 [Music] 12 00:00:54,770 --> 00:00:52,360 [Applause] 13 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:54,780 [Music] 14 00:01:00,410 --> 00:00:57,600 this is Fade to Black with your host 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:00,420 Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio 16 00:01:05,410 --> 00:01:01,130 Network 17 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:05,420 [Music] 18 00:01:11,109 --> 00:01:08,760 good evening everyone it's Fade to Black 19 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:11,119 how you doing today's Thursday 20 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:16,080 June 22nd 2023 and tonight very excited 21 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:19,740 back with this is Dennis Stone of 22 00:01:25,070 --> 00:01:23,280 America's Stonehenge uh which we will be 23 00:01:27,850 --> 00:01:25,080 discussing tonight we're going to talk 24 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:27,860 about uh the study the research theories 25 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:31,020 the astronomical alignment all of the 26 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:33,299 archaeological work uh that has been 27 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:35,700 done uh over at the site for the last 85 28 00:01:41,090 --> 00:01:38,040 years he is president of America 29 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:41,100 Stonehenge graduated from Daniel Webster 30 00:01:46,609 --> 00:01:44,340 College in 1977 with a degree in 31 00:01:49,149 --> 00:01:46,619 aviation management it's a full-time 32 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:49,159 airline pilot before his retirement in 33 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:52,799 2016. America's Stonehenge was open to 34 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:55,680 the public in 1958 by his father Robert 35 00:02:00,469 --> 00:01:58,380 Stone and he has been involved with 36 00:02:02,270 --> 00:02:00,479 America's Stonehenge for most of his 37 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:02,280 life we have talked to him about this 38 00:02:08,809 --> 00:02:06,000 before it's a fascinating subject now 39 00:02:11,150 --> 00:02:08,819 since retiring he's found several 40 00:02:13,010 --> 00:02:11,160 Serpentine walls and spirit Windows 41 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:13,020 throughout the site among other new 42 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:15,840 discoveries and we will be discussing 43 00:02:20,449 --> 00:02:18,180 all of that tonight and I have some 44 00:02:22,970 --> 00:02:20,459 images we will be sharing with everybody 45 00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:22,980 and I just want to welcome back to fade 46 00:02:26,770 --> 00:02:24,540 to black the one and only Dennis Stone 47 00:02:29,330 --> 00:02:26,780 there he is Dennis how you doing my man 48 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:29,340 well thank you Jimmy for having me on uh 49 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:31,260 it's so nice to see you again doing 50 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:34,280 pretty well tonight thank you and and 51 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:38,520 it's a first for Fade to Black uh Dennis 52 00:02:47,390 --> 00:02:43,519 is coming to us from uh his cell phone 53 00:02:49,850 --> 00:02:47,400 so uh yeah let's uh let's do this and 54 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:49,860 I'm very excited 55 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:53,400 um uh this I actually uh want to start 56 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:55,319 here uh Dennis 57 00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:59,040 and although a basic question 58 00:03:04,369 --> 00:03:01,920 um it is uh something that just needs to 59 00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:04,379 be addressed and answered 60 00:03:09,530 --> 00:03:06,959 um I think and you and I have a lot of 61 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:09,540 mutual friends uh who will be talking 62 00:03:14,270 --> 00:03:12,239 about some of them tonight for sure 63 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:14,280 um that consider America's Stonehenge 64 00:03:21,290 --> 00:03:17,940 one of the most important uh sites not 65 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:21,300 only in North America but maybe the 66 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:23,040 world 67 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:26,400 um how important is this site and why 68 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:29,220 isn't it on the front page like the Giza 69 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:31,920 Pyramids now we have the same questions 70 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:35,040 we've had those for many many decades 71 00:03:38,570 --> 00:03:36,720 um there is probably a reluctance among 72 00:03:41,210 --> 00:03:38,580 mainstream you know to accept new 73 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:41,220 theories they have a paradigm you know a 74 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:43,200 certain models certain patterns that 75 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:45,480 they they allow or believe in you know 76 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:48,120 so but we do think it's a very important 77 00:03:52,309 --> 00:03:49,680 site in fact it could change the 78 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:52,319 pre-history of uh perhaps United States 79 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:54,239 North America you know 80 00:03:58,970 --> 00:03:55,620 um we think it's one of the oldest 81 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:58,980 man-made Stone ruins in North America 82 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:01,980 um but it's only one of about 800 uh 83 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:04,440 sites located from about Ontario and 84 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:06,780 Quebec all the way down to Virginia we 85 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:08,459 keep finding more and more of these 86 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:10,799 similar sites however always is the 87 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:13,140 biggest complex in a given area about 88 00:04:18,650 --> 00:04:15,959 106 acres and it seems to be compressed 89 00:04:20,689 --> 00:04:18,660 with all these Stone features uh my dad 90 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:20,699 got involved with it back in the 50s and 91 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:23,400 he had the same frustration we have 92 00:04:28,670 --> 00:04:26,280 going on today you know again uh people 93 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:28,680 not really wanting to accept it some 94 00:04:32,749 --> 00:04:30,960 people calling it a hoax a fake a fraud 95 00:04:34,670 --> 00:04:32,759 uh not willing to believe that they're 96 00:04:35,629 --> 00:04:34,680 ancient stone Builders basically in the 97 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:35,639 Northeast 98 00:04:39,409 --> 00:04:37,740 they're not supposed to be we're not 99 00:04:41,629 --> 00:04:39,419 supposed to be here according to school 100 00:04:43,129 --> 00:04:41,639 books and textbooks and maybe the 101 00:04:45,409 --> 00:04:43,139 mainstream archaeological Community 102 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:45,419 although there are some in the community 103 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:47,220 that are starting to open their eyes a 104 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:50,280 little bit but I think our site perhaps 105 00:04:54,530 --> 00:04:52,080 is one of the more important sites in 106 00:04:56,689 --> 00:04:54,540 North America and uh we should have more 107 00:04:58,189 --> 00:04:56,699 work to do to prove it 108 00:05:01,010 --> 00:04:58,199 um the work has been going on I think 109 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:01,020 you mentioned 85 years and this is 110 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:04,139 actually our anniversary day uh my dad 111 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:05,940 opened it to the public for the first 112 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:08,220 time as you mentioned in 1958 and it was 113 00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:10,560 a summer solstice coincidentally so 114 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:13,560 yesterday we had our our big event all 115 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:15,600 day event with a sunrise sunset we had a 116 00:05:20,030 --> 00:05:18,060 ceremony we had a drumming Circle and we 117 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:20,040 had I think between 300 and 400 people 118 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:21,540 show up yesterday so it was a nice 119 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:23,460 turnout and the weather was perfect for 120 00:05:28,129 --> 00:05:25,440 it we've had as many as a thousand 121 00:05:29,689 --> 00:05:28,139 people turned out uh in you know in the 122 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:29,699 past you know so yesterday was actually 123 00:05:34,969 --> 00:05:32,460 a pretty nice turnout though and uh so 124 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:34,979 we have a big anniversary this year uh 125 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:36,780 in two years we'll have about the 70th 126 00:05:41,330 --> 00:05:38,460 Anniversary that my dad ever heard about 127 00:05:42,830 --> 00:05:41,340 this place back in 1955 it was a radio 128 00:05:44,689 --> 00:05:42,840 show and he was just listening on a 129 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:44,699 Friday night one of the biggest stations 130 00:05:48,770 --> 00:05:46,740 in New England and uh the show was 131 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:48,780 called Yankee Yarns and the talk show 132 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:51,240 host was Alton Hall blackington uh 133 00:05:54,590 --> 00:05:52,680 Native of Maine but I guess he went to 134 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:54,600 Boston to be on the show it was 135 00:05:58,909 --> 00:05:57,060 syndicated all over New England too and 136 00:06:00,469 --> 00:05:58,919 my dad just was listened to a show like 137 00:06:02,689 --> 00:06:00,479 we're doing right now except for talking 138 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:02,699 on it and uh as your listeners are doing 139 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:04,440 and uh he had never heard of this he 140 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:06,060 lived about seven miles from this site 141 00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:08,820 never heard of it and a whole evening uh 142 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:10,320 you know it started at 7 30 in the 143 00:06:14,029 --> 00:06:11,820 evening it went probably for an hour an 144 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:14,039 hour and a half uh and he was blown away 145 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:16,560 by the topic it fascinated him you know 146 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:18,840 so so we have a couple anniversaries 147 00:06:24,290 --> 00:06:21,860 going on right now and uh and then uh 148 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:24,300 next year will also be the anniversary 149 00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:26,160 of my dad's group he started a 150 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:27,300 non-profit group called New England 151 00:06:32,270 --> 00:06:30,120 Antiquities research Association that 152 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:32,280 group uh will have its 60th anniversary 153 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:33,840 next year so we got a little things 154 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:37,020 going on right now with that too and he 155 00:06:43,850 --> 00:06:40,880 just like what and and jump in the car 156 00:06:45,469 --> 00:06:43,860 and and and drive over to check it out 157 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:45,479 to find something that was in his 158 00:06:49,189 --> 00:06:47,400 backyard and he never knew it something 159 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:49,199 is 160 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:51,120 well that's almost what happened he 161 00:06:54,830 --> 00:06:53,460 actually uh a few days later at a barber 162 00:06:56,990 --> 00:06:54,840 shop in the town of Dairy New Hampshire 163 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:57,000 where I grew up and again about seven 164 00:07:00,950 --> 00:06:58,740 miles from here he was in a barber shop 165 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:00,960 just waiting to have his hair cut uh the 166 00:07:04,490 --> 00:07:02,699 barber's name is Warren Haywood used to 167 00:07:06,290 --> 00:07:04,500 race uh horses at the uh famous 168 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:06,300 Rockingham race track which ran for 169 00:07:10,010 --> 00:07:07,979 about 100 years and recently it closed 170 00:07:11,450 --> 00:07:10,020 unfortunately but he's looking at a 171 00:07:12,710 --> 00:07:11,460 magazine while he's waiting and he 172 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:12,720 picked it up he's thumbing through it 173 00:07:18,110 --> 00:07:14,400 and all of a sudden he's looking at 174 00:07:20,029 --> 00:07:18,120 these pictures of these ruins in a with 175 00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:20,039 of the site he cuts on the radio he 176 00:07:22,730 --> 00:07:21,240 couldn't see what it looked like when he 177 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:22,740 looked at these photographs so the title 178 00:07:27,650 --> 00:07:24,960 of the article the location of the site 179 00:07:29,930 --> 00:07:27,660 he was like wow this is amazing so he 180 00:07:31,670 --> 00:07:29,940 said to the barber hey uh can I keep 181 00:07:34,249 --> 00:07:31,680 this magazine and the barber goes well 182 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:34,259 how old is that because it's 1952. it's 183 00:07:37,969 --> 00:07:36,660 been sitting here for three years uh and 184 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:37,979 that's a nice coincidence because 185 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:40,020 perhaps you know you and I may not be 186 00:07:43,850 --> 00:07:41,400 speaking tonight because I think that's 187 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:43,860 what clinched it uh that weekend at my 188 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:46,800 aunt and uncle's house my mom sister and 189 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:49,500 her husband uh had about 10 people over 190 00:07:53,210 --> 00:07:51,360 and it was a Saturday night kind of a 191 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:53,220 custom the family did they played cards 192 00:07:57,710 --> 00:07:55,860 you know had some beers and so forth and 193 00:07:59,210 --> 00:07:57,720 with the 10 people playing cards at some 194 00:08:01,189 --> 00:07:59,220 point they stopped my dad passed a 195 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:01,199 magazine around the magazine was called 196 00:08:04,909 --> 00:08:03,060 New Hampshire profile magazine it's no 197 00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:04,919 longer in print but it ran for many many 198 00:08:08,809 --> 00:08:07,380 decades uh they looked at it different 199 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:08,819 people looked at it you know friends 200 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:10,560 nobody recognized it either and they 201 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:12,960 lived you know right the same area until 202 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:15,479 I got to my aunt and uncle uh and then 203 00:08:19,730 --> 00:08:18,000 it was Kay and Earth dicey 204 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:19,740 um and they looked at it for a few 205 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:21,479 seconds scare Daddy go wait a minute we 206 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:23,400 used to go there in the 1930s in our 207 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:24,960 bicycles while we were dating they would 208 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:27,360 pedal down about seven or eight miles uh 209 00:08:32,209 --> 00:08:29,520 they go up this old dirt road to the top 210 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:32,219 of the hill bring a picnic lunch and so 211 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:34,860 in the 30s 1930s are up there and of 212 00:08:38,570 --> 00:08:36,360 course it was not open to the public so 213 00:08:41,089 --> 00:08:38,580 I guess it was kind of unofficial maybe 214 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:41,099 trespassing perhaps but a lot of people 215 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:43,260 did that back then and you know unless 216 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:44,940 people vandalized you know it was okay 217 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:47,279 you know vandalized or whatever people 218 00:08:50,810 --> 00:08:48,959 didn't pay too much attention to that 219 00:08:52,790 --> 00:08:50,820 but but my dad was so excited he goes 220 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:52,800 hey can you find the place and of course 221 00:08:57,530 --> 00:08:55,620 he said well it's been 20 years there's 222 00:09:01,130 --> 00:08:57,540 no road signs it's not open to the 223 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:01,140 public no Google Maps so that's Sunday 224 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:03,360 the four of them uh they left me behind 225 00:09:07,009 --> 00:09:05,220 I was 18 months old I guess I stayed 226 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:07,019 with the grandparents so they ran around 227 00:09:11,389 --> 00:09:08,880 North Salem trying to find this place 228 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:11,399 until they saw an old dirt road that 229 00:09:15,050 --> 00:09:12,779 they recognized or at least they thought 230 00:09:16,430 --> 00:09:15,060 they did talk the car next to it and 231 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:16,440 they walked about half a mile up this 232 00:09:21,710 --> 00:09:19,200 big hill through the woods and all of a 233 00:09:25,009 --> 00:09:21,720 sudden they spotted the site and uh it 234 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:25,019 had a big kind of a barbed wire in a 235 00:09:28,910 --> 00:09:27,240 chain link well barbed wire on top of 236 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:28,920 the big chain link fence a six foot tall 237 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:30,779 fence with two feet of Bob wire on it 238 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:33,480 and my dad had to climb under it and the 239 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:35,700 rest of them didn't go in and it it 240 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:37,620 surrounds about one acre of the site and 241 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:39,600 the barbed wire fence was put up in the 242 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:41,880 1930s So my aunt and uncle might have 243 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:43,260 been there just before that was put up 244 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:44,459 but it was put up with the first 245 00:09:48,829 --> 00:09:46,740 researcher to protect the site so my dad 246 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:48,839 climbed under it he got lost for quite a 247 00:09:52,009 --> 00:09:50,100 while wow and they stood outside 248 00:09:54,290 --> 00:09:52,019 wondering what he was doing and he 249 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:54,300 finally emerged he was just beside 250 00:09:58,850 --> 00:09:56,100 himself so thrilled about the society 251 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:58,860 you know it was just amazing to him you 252 00:10:02,389 --> 00:09:59,940 know and again he had never seen 253 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:02,399 anything like that and he said like to 254 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:04,620 uh get involved with the research maybe 255 00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:06,420 study it 256 00:10:10,550 --> 00:10:08,399 um and maybe open it to the public and 257 00:10:12,829 --> 00:10:10,560 because my mom's response was something 258 00:10:14,690 --> 00:10:12,839 about you got rocks in your head and 259 00:10:16,190 --> 00:10:14,700 that's because you know I had a sister 260 00:10:19,250 --> 00:10:16,200 on the way they had just built the house 261 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:19,260 he was an ATT uh Bell Labs engineer and 262 00:10:23,389 --> 00:10:21,480 he just started that job two years prior 263 00:10:25,009 --> 00:10:23,399 that he had a lot going on and I think 264 00:10:26,509 --> 00:10:25,019 the last thing my mom wanted to do is 265 00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:26,519 get involved with something else like 266 00:10:29,389 --> 00:10:27,300 that 267 00:10:32,329 --> 00:10:29,399 and then over the next few years my dad 268 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:32,339 met the owner worked out the business 269 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:34,800 Arrangement and he leased the property 270 00:10:40,190 --> 00:10:37,140 20 acres and then he opened it up again 271 00:10:42,050 --> 00:10:40,200 on the summer solstice of 1958 and the 272 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:42,060 name at the time I didn't know this 273 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:43,320 until a couple years ago I always 274 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:45,360 thought it was mystery Hill caves it was 275 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:46,740 actually called The Stone ruins of New 276 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:48,000 Hampshire that was the official name of 277 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:50,940 it and during the winter of 58 59 they 278 00:10:55,790 --> 00:10:52,920 uh went back and they changed the name 279 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:55,800 to Mr Hill caves so it was the stone 280 00:11:01,190 --> 00:10:57,600 runes or New Hampshire after that doing 281 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:01,200 business as uh Mr Bill caves and by 60 282 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:03,839 1963 they changed the name to mystery 283 00:11:07,069 --> 00:11:06,060 Hill uh the word caves confused people 284 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:07,079 they thought they're going to go see 285 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:09,120 some natural caves in the rock you know 286 00:11:12,889 --> 00:11:10,740 and these are actually man-made Chambers 287 00:11:14,509 --> 00:11:12,899 and I believe the magazine that's 288 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:14,519 probably still there something about the 289 00:11:20,210 --> 00:11:16,980 uh the American cave Association or 290 00:11:22,430 --> 00:11:20,220 something had a cave uh magazine they 291 00:11:25,069 --> 00:11:22,440 put out and they listed us which was 292 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:25,079 nice and then in 63 they they listed us 293 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:26,760 as man-made caves I guess so they 294 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:28,680 changed the they changed it a little bit 295 00:11:33,889 --> 00:11:31,860 to avoid some confusion so that's how my 296 00:11:36,350 --> 00:11:33,899 dad got involved with it man it's been 297 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:36,360 in our family now you know uh 65 years 298 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:39,180 and I have a son who's kind of involved 299 00:11:44,210 --> 00:11:42,120 with it uh he is an engineer at Raytheon 300 00:11:46,610 --> 00:11:44,220 uh and he has a daughter our 301 00:11:49,490 --> 00:11:46,620 granddaughter uh and she's the fourth 302 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:49,500 generation she's gonna be three on um in 303 00:11:53,329 --> 00:11:51,540 September so she's growing up very 304 00:11:55,490 --> 00:11:53,339 quickly but she's there about four days 305 00:12:00,769 --> 00:11:55,500 a week with us working she's the boss 306 00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:00,779 now no how does I can only imagine 307 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:01,560 um 308 00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:08,220 so you're five seven eight years old you 309 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:09,839 and your brothers and your friends you 310 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:12,240 go off in your adventures and walk or 311 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:15,839 ride your Schwinn stingrays around all 312 00:12:20,389 --> 00:12:18,540 day long and and go and find stuff well 313 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:20,399 I gotta tell you I never had America's 314 00:12:26,509 --> 00:12:23,100 Stonehenge uh to to play around in 315 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:26,519 growing up that just must have been the 316 00:12:33,170 --> 00:12:29,820 most fascinating cool thing ever as as a 317 00:12:37,009 --> 00:12:33,180 boy take me through that I mean talk 318 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:37,019 about Adventure City right yeah I mean 319 00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:39,060 we all love the little Indiana Jones and 320 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:41,519 Adventure uh ex you know it's a mystery 321 00:12:45,650 --> 00:12:43,860 too and everybody loves a mystery 322 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:45,660 um and my Recollections are actually 323 00:12:51,889 --> 00:12:49,440 being there when in 1959 uh we drove up 324 00:12:55,009 --> 00:12:51,899 to the top of the hill my dad's um he 325 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:55,019 had a Renault and uh she actually is 58 326 00:13:01,009 --> 00:12:58,320 and uh probably had been there in 55 as 327 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:01,019 a baby but that's where we opened it and 328 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:02,700 I remember that recollection I guess I 329 00:13:07,790 --> 00:13:04,260 was old enough that four direct remember 330 00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:07,800 that and in 1959 uh the Saturday evening 331 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,079 posted a big thing in the town of Salem 332 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:12,480 and it was mystery Hill week at the 333 00:13:15,710 --> 00:13:13,980 racetrack they had a horse running for 334 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:15,720 us and everything he had a big manner so 335 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:16,980 that kind of stuff was exciting but 336 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:18,720 seeing the stone structures walking into 337 00:13:22,129 --> 00:13:20,700 the cave seeing all the all the 338 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:22,139 different features of the site was 339 00:13:28,610 --> 00:13:24,180 exciting I brought my friends there from 340 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:28,620 dairy as kids and um and then kind of 341 00:13:32,810 --> 00:13:30,300 growing up I did work around there too 342 00:13:35,210 --> 00:13:32,820 we were you know cleaning up picking up 343 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:35,220 putting bumper stickers on cars starting 344 00:13:40,610 --> 00:13:38,820 in 1968 with my cousin and his parents 345 00:13:43,129 --> 00:13:40,620 are the ones that you know showed my dad 346 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:43,139 the site and uh it was just a lot of fun 347 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:44,820 you know and again a lot of mystery in 348 00:13:49,310 --> 00:13:47,040 my recollection of our vacations however 349 00:13:52,610 --> 00:13:49,320 going through the 60s into the probably 350 00:13:54,530 --> 00:13:52,620 early 70s uh were you know not a trip to 351 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:54,540 like an amusement park or maybe a beach 352 00:13:57,949 --> 00:13:56,220 or Florida it was to go see some of 353 00:13:59,569 --> 00:13:57,959 these ruins elsewhere you know that was 354 00:14:01,490 --> 00:13:59,579 and as a kid you know you want to 355 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:01,500 probably go to Disneyland or something 356 00:14:05,449 --> 00:14:03,720 but as I get older I started to really 357 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:05,459 appreciate it you know and seeing these 358 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:07,200 different structures around the around 359 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:09,240 the countryside they started being I 360 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,940 guess they more important to me uh the 361 00:14:16,129 --> 00:14:13,680 meaning of them the mystery of them what 362 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:16,139 they could represent you know so we 363 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:19,860 always had a lot of fun and by 72 uh I 364 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:21,839 was uh let's see I was eight 18 years 365 00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:24,300 old and just graduating from high school 366 00:14:29,629 --> 00:14:28,079 and we actually uh we actually watched 367 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:29,639 the Planet of the Apes on the 368 00:14:33,769 --> 00:14:31,560 sacrificial table with a black and white 369 00:14:35,329 --> 00:14:33,779 TV we had electricity up there back in 370 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:35,339 those days so we can illuminate some of 371 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,920 the chambers and a whole bunch of us all 372 00:14:41,329 --> 00:14:39,360 the guides you know and some friends 373 00:14:43,310 --> 00:14:41,339 came along too probably about seven or 374 00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:43,320 eight of us we actually went up there we 375 00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:44,820 sat around the table and watched the 376 00:14:49,129 --> 00:14:46,980 Planet of the Apes and then that evening 377 00:14:52,189 --> 00:14:49,139 we stayed overnight inside the Oracle 378 00:14:53,569 --> 00:14:52,199 chamber we had cots and sleeping bags so 379 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:53,579 that's one of the ones I remember from 380 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:55,860 51 years ago so much fun you know he did 381 00:15:00,650 --> 00:14:57,540 that kind of stuff his teenagers too you 382 00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:00,660 know and uh but I became a guide in 1970 383 00:15:04,490 --> 00:15:03,360 so starting in 70 I was a guy just 384 00:15:07,009 --> 00:15:04,500 before that I was putting bumper 385 00:15:08,269 --> 00:15:07,019 stickers on and and then um then I got 386 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:08,279 into my flying career but I always 387 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:10,380 worked on my days off pretty much at the 388 00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:12,120 Museum you know I never really left it 389 00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:14,959 all those for all these years you know 390 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:18,320 the uh help me understand 391 00:15:27,889 --> 00:15:24,600 uh the chain of custody of of the site 392 00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:27,899 um you mentioned it was leased 393 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:30,899 um and I mean what it was it on private 394 00:15:35,810 --> 00:15:33,420 property and if it was leased was at 395 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:35,820 least from the state or was at least 396 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:39,660 from an owner uh I uh I I just want to 397 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:42,120 understand it you know who owns it now 398 00:15:47,329 --> 00:15:44,699 too as well yeah right 399 00:15:50,329 --> 00:15:47,339 um we do own it um the property 400 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:50,339 um we do have the records going back to 401 00:15:53,689 --> 00:15:52,380 uh when it was part of Haverhill 402 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:53,699 Massachusetts it was called the 403 00:15:59,389 --> 00:15:55,800 Haverhill Peak and the Haverhill 404 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,399 Proprietors had controlled this area and 405 00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:01,199 there's actually names of two Native 406 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:03,000 Americans in the history of Salem which 407 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:04,800 was written in 1907 and I have three 408 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:06,600 copies of really thick books and our 409 00:16:11,569 --> 00:16:08,519 site's mentioned in that it was written 410 00:16:13,009 --> 00:16:11,579 by a gentleman named um Edgar Gilbert he 411 00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:13,019 was a friend of Robert Frost and they 412 00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:14,399 used to work together in the Mills down 413 00:16:18,290 --> 00:16:16,380 in Lawrence Massachusetts about 15 miles 414 00:16:20,329 --> 00:16:18,300 south of here in fact my grandfather had 415 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,339 Robert Frost for a high school teacher 416 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:22,620 too but uh Edgar Gilbert finished a book 417 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:25,560 in 1907 and he describes a site back 418 00:16:29,569 --> 00:16:27,540 then as a wonderful but strange Place 419 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:29,579 among the soft Pines and the rough 420 00:16:33,949 --> 00:16:31,260 Boulders where strange tails may be 421 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:33,959 woven so as part of the behavioral Peak 422 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:35,760 they purchased it from two Native 423 00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:37,500 Americans it talks how many shillings 424 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:39,180 and how many pennies they paid for it 425 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:41,820 actually that was recorded 426 00:16:48,009 --> 00:16:44,880 um now the first owner was actually a 427 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:48,019 gentleman named Seth Patty and in 1734 428 00:16:52,610 --> 00:16:51,060 he purchased a piece of the hill we 429 00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:52,620 don't think it contained the main site 430 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:55,199 where most of the ruins are located but 431 00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:56,639 a piece of the Hill 432 00:17:01,370 --> 00:16:59,820 by 1741 New Hampshire and mass although 433 00:17:03,650 --> 00:17:01,380 New Hampshire really didn't become a 434 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,660 state until 1788 it was still this 435 00:17:07,970 --> 00:17:05,280 territory here in New Hampshire I guess 436 00:17:09,949 --> 00:17:07,980 and they settled the boundary on the 437 00:17:11,569 --> 00:17:09,959 Southeast corner of New Hampshire at 438 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:11,579 that moment we were no longer part of 439 00:17:16,909 --> 00:17:14,120 Massachusetts we are now New Hampshire 440 00:17:18,890 --> 00:17:16,919 and there's no no longer part of 441 00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:18,900 Haverhill it was now called the Salem 442 00:17:22,970 --> 00:17:20,040 District 443 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:22,980 and three years later in 1744 that same 444 00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,199 Seth Patty bought more of the Hill 445 00:17:30,169 --> 00:17:27,839 including the main site and he comes 446 00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:30,179 from a family of shoemakers his great 447 00:17:35,150 --> 00:17:31,919 grandfather Peter came from England to 448 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,160 Virginia came up to Salem Mass uh he had 449 00:17:39,409 --> 00:17:37,440 a son named Richard who he left behind 450 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:39,419 in Virginia and his wife and it became 451 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:41,820 kind of a little controversial he didn't 452 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,380 leave him in a ban him he just came up 453 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,080 here to for work uh he kept sending for 454 00:17:51,169 --> 00:17:48,480 his wife and his his first son and he 455 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:51,179 and she didn't never came back 456 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,740 um he married again and he had some 457 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:54,480 other children also and Richard shows up 458 00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:55,980 one day and it was usually the oldest 459 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:57,720 child that got the inheritance so I'm 460 00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:58,980 not sure what type of problem that 461 00:18:04,669 --> 00:18:01,919 created but Richard uh was a Shoemaker 462 00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,679 also uh then it was Seth I mentioned and 463 00:18:09,169 --> 00:18:06,720 then Seth Jr 464 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:09,179 um it was probably Seth Jr and there was 465 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:10,500 another gentleman in there to forget the 466 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:11,940 gentleman's name another relative that 467 00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:14,100 had the property for a brief time but 468 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:15,960 then Seth Jr ended up with it we think 469 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:17,940 he built the wooden house on the main 470 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:22,320 site and again he was a Shoemaker and he 471 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:24,600 went to the Revolutionary War that he 472 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:28,559 got hurt he died in 1788 and Jonathan 473 00:18:33,230 --> 00:18:30,360 his son who everybody thinks built our 474 00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:33,240 site his name is Jonathan Patty uh was 475 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:36,600 just a very young boy at the time so the 476 00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:38,100 mother ended up marrying like a second 477 00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:39,840 cousin named uh forget the first name 478 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:41,880 his name was Corliss and she became a 479 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,340 Corless I believe she moved away from 480 00:18:48,049 --> 00:18:46,080 this house to his farm 481 00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:48,059 and what happened to the house for a few 482 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:51,260 years we don't know but by 1801 483 00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:54,120 Jonathan's mom Betsy gave the land to 484 00:18:59,390 --> 00:18:56,700 him in the home in a quick claim so he 485 00:19:02,029 --> 00:18:59,400 moved there with his family uh in 1802. 486 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:02,039 and again he was a Shoemaker but he also 487 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,620 was a road surveyor for for the town of 488 00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:07,440 Salem he took uh he was a tax collector 489 00:19:12,049 --> 00:19:08,940 for three years I'm sure everybody was 490 00:19:15,409 --> 00:19:12,059 happy to see him coming down the road 491 00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:15,419 um but he also later on uh became 492 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:17,340 involved with the underground Railway 493 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:20,400 but the just prior to that he was a uh 494 00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:22,919 took in the town poppers from 1831 to 495 00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:26,100 1836. he had as many as 11 people that 496 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:27,780 he took care of and he was paid he put a 497 00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,220 bid in with the town he actually had the 498 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:30,960 book written in 1837 the whole 499 00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:32,700 handwritten book it talks about the 500 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:34,620 different people that put bids in and 501 00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:37,500 who awarded you know the care of these 502 00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:40,200 Town poppers to take care of them and 503 00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:41,940 Patty one year made something like 360 504 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:44,700 dollars which probably in you know 1831 505 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:46,380 or two or three was a lot of money you 506 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,840 know back in those days he did have two 507 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:51,120 sons one of his sons was named Jonathan 508 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:53,340 he died in Boston for some reason at 509 00:19:58,850 --> 00:19:56,280 going on 18 years old and he had a son 510 00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,860 named Seth that survived and grew into 511 00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:00,320 adulthood 512 00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:04,799 uh when Jonathan uh passed away uh in 513 00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:07,799 1849 his wife of course had the house 514 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:10,100 and everything but eventually the will 515 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:13,440 was lost so the house went to Seth his 516 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:15,419 son it was actually meant to go to 517 00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,700 George the grandson for some reason so 518 00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:19,320 we have a pretty good you know 519 00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:22,280 chronology going way back to the about 520 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,660 1672 I think it was something like that 521 00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,640 when the Haverhill Peak bought the land 522 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,799 from the Native Americans uh going 523 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,960 through the Paddy era but it's Jonathan 524 00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,640 everybody likes to say well Jonathan was 525 00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:35,039 crazy eccentric he was a bootlegger bank 526 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:37,620 robber mail robber hiding from the feds 527 00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:39,900 but those are all you know those are all 528 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:42,900 the just tails you know they're not 529 00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:45,600 based on Legend they're actually myths 530 00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:48,660 you know it I you could never admit you 531 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,700 could never not find the hill it stands 532 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:52,320 out like a sore thumb in one of the 533 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,179 roads went right by the Paddy's house 534 00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:57,120 called the Boston Post Road he couldn't 535 00:21:00,770 --> 00:20:59,100 be hiding from too many people you know 536 00:21:02,930 --> 00:21:00,780 you would see the house you see the 537 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,940 ruins on the hill 538 00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:05,280 um during that time of the paddish 539 00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:07,260 however maybe about a third of the site 540 00:21:12,110 --> 00:21:10,919 unfortunately was taken away uh there 541 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:12,120 were Quarrymen that would actually take 542 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:13,740 the stones away they use it for local 543 00:21:18,650 --> 00:21:16,860 building projects uh they came according 544 00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:18,660 to one history book three years in a row 545 00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:21,000 to a cat load after cat load of rock off 546 00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:21,900 the hill 547 00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,940 and it happens to so many sites around 548 00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:26,039 the world you visit you know I mean even 549 00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:27,720 the pyramids in Egypt are missing their 550 00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:30,059 Limestone caps but it I've been into a 551 00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:32,039 number of sites in in Ireland and stuff 552 00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:33,059 it's like what happened to that 553 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,980 structure it's only partly there oh they 554 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:36,600 removed some of it to build roads you 555 00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:37,980 know and we were just visiting some of 556 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:41,700 the Mounds uh in Ohio uh on our vacation 557 00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:43,260 and I've been wanting to get there for 558 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,700 years some of the Mounds are completely 559 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,799 rebuilt today they were plowed under and 560 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,780 you go to some of them it's like you see 561 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:50,880 it most of it's gone today because it's 562 00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,940 been plowed under by agriculture 563 00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:55,919 um and then they have restored a few of 564 00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:57,240 the Mounds you know and I didn't realize 565 00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:58,380 to the extent that they did that 566 00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:01,320 magnificent Earthworks but our site 567 00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:03,240 suffered that too you know people took 568 00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:05,220 Stones away 569 00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:07,020 um so that was during the Patty area 570 00:22:13,149 --> 00:22:09,059 they're probably either Jonathan or her 571 00:22:21,010 --> 00:22:15,830 Dennis let me jump in for a second sure 572 00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:21,020 was there a chat uh was everybody aware 573 00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,659 of the stone Arrangements uh throughout 574 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:26,960 the history of owning the site 575 00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:30,780 you know did it exist like it does today 576 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:33,659 the outside walls covering um 577 00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,780 oh the walls basically cover the entire 578 00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,600 Hill uh it was a main site that suffered 579 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:41,039 most of the damage you can see the 580 00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:42,900 modern drill marks uh they used a 581 00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,520 plug-in feather they use a star drill 582 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:46,799 which started around 1780 that 583 00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:47,940 technology 584 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:50,340 so that's where a lot of damage was done 585 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,200 but the outside walls 586 00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:54,960 except for where trees fell on them and 587 00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:56,940 other you know just earthquake damage 588 00:23:03,049 --> 00:22:59,460 and time you know the walls are still 589 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,059 there today and they contain standing 590 00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,240 Stones we call monoliths they contain uh 591 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:07,919 some of the other features we'll get 592 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,380 into uh they cover the entire Hill and 593 00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,000 we you brought up the word uh serpent 594 00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:14,280 walls a little while ago uh they're all 595 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:17,100 over the hill we have 14 of them uh 596 00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,900 Windows these are windows built into the 597 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,880 stone walls we think we have 22 of them 598 00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:24,000 today my dad died in 09 and he didn't 599 00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:25,860 know anything about these but when he 600 00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:27,900 first came to our site he looked at 601 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,220 those walls and they were kind of deep 602 00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:31,200 into the woods and when Goodwin the 603 00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:33,720 first archaeologist visited in 1936 we 604 00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:35,400 can talk about Goodwin 605 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:38,460 um and if you know and he uh he knew the 606 00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,960 walls were out there too and he made 607 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,820 comments because he wrote four books 608 00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:43,919 about these walls looking a little 609 00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:46,380 peculiar Farmers walls are usually 610 00:23:51,049 --> 00:23:49,260 fairly linear with some exceptions a lot 611 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,059 of field stones and they used it for 612 00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:54,720 boundaries fences uh as well as uh just 613 00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,340 clearing up the land getting rid of the 614 00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:57,840 Rocks you know sometimes they served all 615 00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,360 three purposes in New England the wall 616 00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:03,000 beginning building begins in the 1700s 617 00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:06,059 which before they use a lot of uh wooden 618 00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,700 fences I guess but so in the 1700s while 619 00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:10,440 building begins and today we have about 620 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,740 240 000 miles of historic walls across 621 00:24:16,909 --> 00:24:15,600 New England they say it's the most walls 622 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,919 of anywhere on Earth I've been to 623 00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:18,240 Ireland and I'm like I think Ireland 624 00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:20,100 probably had you know they're everywhere 625 00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,380 but New England is the uh has the record 626 00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,299 I guess you could go to the Moon Without 627 00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:26,580 Walls and just beyond that but those are 628 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:28,500 historic walls and we know about those 629 00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:30,780 but these walls have a whole different 630 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:34,260 flavor they turn they twist they Bend uh 631 00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:35,700 and now that we found the serpentine 632 00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:38,700 features that's a whole different thing 633 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,679 um and I started finding those in 2016 634 00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:42,240 the year I retired from the from 635 00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:45,419 American uh I was a captain there and uh 636 00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,159 I certainly didn't get bored you know I 637 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,480 thought I might because I love flying I 638 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,120 did it for 42 years but I uh starting to 639 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:52,559 find these walls it looked a little bit 640 00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:54,780 like serpents with a head body and tail 641 00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,659 in the spring of 2016. about a couple of 642 00:25:00,490 --> 00:24:59,159 them then I had Scott Walters you may 643 00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:00,500 have heard of Scott 644 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,419 and he was he was up with Allen Butler 645 00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:05,520 from England their wives uh nice 646 00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:08,460 Entourage that probably made perhaps of 647 00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:10,260 2016. I said I'm going to show you guys 648 00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,659 something and they walked around I gave 649 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:14,700 a little VIP tour and Scott had been 650 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:16,020 there many times and I said look what 651 00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,820 I'm finding here this thing seems to 652 00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:20,400 have a head a body and a tail I think 653 00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:22,140 it's Serpentine but I have no frame of 654 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,340 reference I've never heard of a 655 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:25,200 serpentine wall I was familiar with the 656 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:26,580 serpent modern Ohio which we just 657 00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:28,020 visited I've you know I heard about that 658 00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:30,600 years ago but I said these and when they 659 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:32,279 looked at them uh like Alan Butler and 660 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,240 his wife and everything they're standing 661 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,520 there going like wow I think there's 662 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:37,200 something going here with these walls 663 00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:39,900 they do like Serpentine and shape 664 00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,380 so they're all over the hilltop uh but 665 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:45,299 most of the damage again was on the main 666 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:47,640 site fortunately they didn't go out and 667 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:49,320 tear the walls apart they might have 668 00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:51,000 broke through a few taking rocks out of 669 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,200 there you know knocking the wall down 670 00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,480 here and there but uh fortunately the 671 00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:56,159 woods kind of protected a lot of that 672 00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,779 those features they were just hidden out 673 00:26:01,789 --> 00:25:59,520 in the woods 674 00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,799 um but I was going to mention to Patty 675 00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:03,419 when Patty was there he actually sold 676 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,340 off the Rocks he was a tax collector 677 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:07,200 there was a quarry text he knew that if 678 00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:08,820 he sold the rocks it recorded by an 679 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,679 ancient culture they wouldn't tax him on 680 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:12,240 it so there's a little he made a little 681 00:26:16,330 --> 00:26:13,860 bit more money doing that too you know 682 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:16,340 from what we understand from the records 683 00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:20,460 yes Scott and I Scott Walter and I uh 684 00:26:24,669 --> 00:26:23,400 were uh on a cruise to Mexico a couple 685 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:24,679 of months ago 686 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:27,900 and we were sitting 687 00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:31,860 um on the balcony of my stateroom one 688 00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,980 night and it was right in the middle of 689 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,419 the Pacific Ocean 690 00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:38,940 and uh and we were sitting there talking 691 00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,900 and he he brought you up and America's 692 00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:44,760 Stonehenge and you know Scott I gotta 693 00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,000 tell you Jimmy I gotta tell you America 694 00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,440 I gotta tell you man that's the site 695 00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:51,419 that's the place that's that's where 696 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,299 it's happening and and Scott and I uh 697 00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:56,460 spent quite a bit of time uh talking 698 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,360 about America Stonehenge now I am I'm 699 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:02,580 gonna pop up a picture 700 00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:05,880 uh we've got we've got a few but so 701 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:08,940 everybody can start to understand uh not 702 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,340 only how cool the site is but how 703 00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:12,720 important it is and what we're talking 704 00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:14,580 about so 705 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:17,159 um here's this first image that you sent 706 00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,820 me and uh what are we looking at here 707 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:23,039 hey Jimmy that's kind of the center of 708 00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,620 the main site that's within the chain 709 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,140 link fence the one acre area and you're 710 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:29,880 looking at the plaza here what we call a 711 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,140 plaza area you actually have both the 712 00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,840 plaza area and we have a Courtyard area 713 00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:35,400 and we have a number of Chambers 714 00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,140 including the one you're looking at and 715 00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:39,539 you can see the structure has uh roof 716 00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:41,340 slabs made out of stone not wood you 717 00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,600 know that's a little different than what 718 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:44,159 our farmers are doing they build uh 719 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:46,020 Stone foundations and then they would 720 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:48,179 put Carriage House or a house on top or 721 00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,520 a bond on top or maybe a town meeting 722 00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,559 house on top they weren't afraid to move 723 00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,900 Stones that's for sure but they usually 724 00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:55,679 used 725 00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,960 um uh you know wooden roofs or wooden 726 00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,760 structures on top and this has a stone 727 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:01,679 structure much like what I've seen in 728 00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:02,760 different parts of the world 729 00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:05,220 particularly in Europe but that chamber 730 00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:09,000 runs true East and West the it runs uh 731 00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:13,020 about about 30 feet in length and what 732 00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:15,299 it reminds me of even back in the 70s we 733 00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:17,100 got a Time Life book about make a list 734 00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,900 of Europe it was a wonderful book back 735 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,299 then and it really opened up my eyes to 736 00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:23,760 similar structures over in Europe that 737 00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,340 we had on our site now it's back around 738 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:28,559 1976 and in Europe they call them Galley 739 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:31,320 or Gallery Grays I've been to France and 740 00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,140 sarconic and right in that area Karnak 741 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,539 there's Chambers but there's also this 742 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,360 structure and I photographed it uh back 743 00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,760 in the 80s I got to get back there and 744 00:28:45,289 --> 00:28:43,799 it looks like our structure I found out 745 00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:45,299 afterwards there are similar ones in 746 00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,679 Ireland and when I went my dad to 747 00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,840 Ireland we didn't visit that part of 748 00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:50,820 Island we spent the about a week there 749 00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,159 there's 2 000 I think megalithic sites 750 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,080 in Ireland they're in the Northwestern 751 00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:57,360 part of Ireland and again they have a 752 00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,840 very similar orientation length and uh 753 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:02,640 size if you will there was just tombs 754 00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,820 over there but they're also in Holland 755 00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:07,980 and they call them the Giants bed in 756 00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,779 fact our celebration yes today the woman 757 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,820 is from Holland and I talked to her 758 00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,260 about the Giant's bed she's been doing 759 00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,120 our celebration for 31 years and she 760 00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,880 goes back there often and I said and how 761 00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,380 do they pronounce that she goes hood and 762 00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,360 didn't it's a Giant's bed it's a Dutch 763 00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:23,220 word I guess I always mispronounce it 764 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,620 but uh one of our friends Scott knows 765 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:28,020 him too I was over there doing one of uh 766 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:29,940 a new book he was doing research and I 767 00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,260 was on messenger with him I said where 768 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,640 are you he goes I'm over in Holland I 769 00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:33,840 said what are you doing there you guys 770 00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:35,640 are doing research for my next book and 771 00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,559 I said well are you at one of the sites 772 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:39,299 he goes yeah I'm at one of the Giants 773 00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:40,980 beds and I said can you tell me the 774 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,539 orientation of that and again it was 775 00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,640 true East and West so that structure 776 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,279 there uh is the middle of it if you look 777 00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:49,260 just to the right of that big vertical 778 00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:51,419 slab those are called orthostats those 779 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:53,159 big slabs in their end you can see three 780 00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:55,140 of them one on the left the one in the 781 00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:56,279 middle and then the one on the right 782 00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,100 these are multi-ton slabs and we find 783 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,200 these in the stone walls themselves 784 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:03,120 surrounding the main site yeah that's 785 00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:05,100 great you could see that 786 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,039 and um in the middle of that that was 787 00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:09,600 some damage by the aquarium and I think 788 00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,159 the quarryman removed part of that and 789 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,919 during the 1930s by a Mr Goodwin the 790 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,480 first researcher they actually did some 791 00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,520 restoration work fortunately we have 792 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,740 photographs in 1900 we have four 793 00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:21,419 photographs of different parts of the 794 00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,360 site different views uh from 1920 that's 795 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,480 16 years before Goodwin came and in 1935 796 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,340 the Haverhill Gazette did a story with 797 00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,440 Reverend Ward showing the whole site in 798 00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:33,360 the background and other pitches because 799 00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,600 often we get to complaint or argument 800 00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:38,220 well we don't know what Mr Goodwin did 801 00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,860 back in the 19th well we do in his right 802 00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:43,919 hand man Malcolm Pearson uh was a 803 00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,380 professional photographer and Malcolm 804 00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:48,600 actually his family owned a getting to 805 00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:50,039 be a famous chamber in Upton 806 00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,899 Massachusetts Scott's been there it's 807 00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,059 called the Upton chamber his 100 years 808 00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:56,399 ago when Malcolm was about 16 his family 809 00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,899 bought the property and the guy goes hey 810 00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,820 there's a seller Outback or a root 811 00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,159 cellar and because young Malcolm just 812 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:04,140 like you mentioning a kid was so excited 813 00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,640 about that he went out there and saw it 814 00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:07,559 it looks like a giant organic Stone 815 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:10,260 igloo and it has a core build ceiling 816 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,880 like I've seen at Newgrange in Ireland 817 00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,700 and it is facing the Pleiades and I 818 00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:16,500 believe it's aligned with the Equinox I 819 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,659 got to double check that but it's an 820 00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:20,640 amazing structure 821 00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:24,120 um so you know well here's let me ask 822 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:27,659 you this Dennis because uh we've got a 823 00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:31,140 lot more images here to go through but 824 00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:35,640 um the ages of of these sites in Ireland 825 00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:39,480 and and Scotland and we're talking you 826 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:44,399 know very old stuff that way predates uh 827 00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:47,880 uh when Columbus got here in North 828 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,720 America or or when anybody else arrived 829 00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,120 for the Ken Kensington ruins Stone and 830 00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:57,419 Scott will tell you all of this this is 831 00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,679 those sites uh in in some cases uh 832 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:04,500 especially in Ireland are five six seven 833 00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:08,159 eight thousand years old and when we're 834 00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,659 talking about something similar here 835 00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,820 um and carbon dating and we'll talk 836 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,860 about this image what are we talking 837 00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:18,840 about and what does Scott say about this 838 00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:21,899 age-wise about this Construction 839 00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,659 I think Scott's on board with the uh 840 00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,640 between three and four thousand-year-old 841 00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:28,559 date from the uh 12 carbon Dennings we 842 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,640 took starting in 1966 through 1995. uh 843 00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:34,080 he was also looking at the inscriptions 844 00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,940 too you know that Barry fell looked at 845 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:38,159 during the 1970s Barry fell died in 846 00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:40,260 1994. 847 00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,700 um and he looked at inscriptions from 848 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:43,440 our site all the way down to South 849 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,000 America all the way out to the West 850 00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,940 Coast and at our site he looked at some 851 00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:50,220 of the stone inscriptions were found 852 00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,080 back in the 60s you know uh 67 and 69 853 00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:56,940 and before Barry fell ever came along to 854 00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,919 our site and they were on display as 855 00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:00,720 unknown markings in our Visitor Center 856 00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:03,299 and he identified one of them took it 857 00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:04,260 back to his house in Arlington 858 00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,179 Massachusetts and again he worked at 859 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,059 Harvard University uh he identified it 860 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,760 as Iberian Punic or 861 00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:13,919 um Phoenician from Spain and Portugal 862 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:16,200 the Iberian Peninsula and I think the 863 00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:17,640 date on that he put back something 864 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,480 around 800 BC on that and uh we had 865 00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,120 another stone that was found uh that he 866 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,000 identified as Celtic om or ogum I used 867 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:29,760 to say ogum but I guess it's Orum uh and 868 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,580 again about the same time period and the 869 00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:34,440 third Stone he identified as Libyan 870 00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,380 script uh and what he said is that all 871 00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,640 of these people were in Spain and 872 00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:41,100 Portugal it was a Melting Pot uh where 873 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,899 Columbus stepped off I guess from 874 00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:44,880 caddies or it looks like cat is but it's 875 00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:46,740 caddy I guess Spain which used to be 876 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,360 called Gage in the southwest part of 877 00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:50,580 Spain and I bet the speed I must have 878 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,380 gone by it but it was back in the 50 879 00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,480 years ago this year I was in Spain got 880 00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,820 to get back there but they uh he said 881 00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:59,279 that sometime around 800 BC on some of 882 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:00,360 the inscriptions and of course they 883 00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,820 found others all the way down to Brazil 884 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:04,740 um and I was out to the West Coast and 885 00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:08,099 Scott was uh at our site uh many times 886 00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,159 but in 2012 he did his episode on us and 887 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,080 he talks about that on his episode about 888 00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,119 America's Stone Age a one-hour you know 889 00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:17,639 show and he gets into the Iberian Punic 890 00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,379 and mostly the Iberian putic he doesn't 891 00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:20,879 get too much in the Celtic I think or 892 00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,740 the Libyan but they're all from that 893 00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:24,659 Iberian Peninsula and Barry fell thought 894 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:26,220 that was a stepping stone and these 895 00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,260 people came over across well before 896 00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,359 Columbus before the Vikings came across 897 00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:32,159 the North Atlantic into the new world 898 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:35,099 you know about a thousand years ago 899 00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:38,040 um so that we have found mockings on the 900 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,720 site and there's other mockings too like 901 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,760 a deer carving there's an arrow carving 902 00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:43,440 and there's a few other carvings that 903 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:44,700 have been found over the years some of 904 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,399 them are located about 500 feet for more 905 00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,139 this Photograph was taken to the west 906 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,659 and there's a glacial Cliff shelter we 907 00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,240 found Pottery there in the 1950 58 908 00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,060 excavation and the stylistic dating on 909 00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,180 it was about 2 000 to 2500 year old it 910 00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:01,800 was Native American pottery in that case 911 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:04,140 but a couple researchers in the 60s 912 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,700 found Pottery on the main site actually 913 00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,400 in the 50s and 60s and they said it 914 00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:10,800 looked like Western uh European courted 915 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,660 pottery and we have that too that should 916 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,700 be really I looked at maybe dated you 917 00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,220 know uh they have a thing called thermal 918 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,020 luminescence however 919 00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,200 I believe if you don't take the object 920 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:23,640 out of the ground and protect it right 921 00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:25,020 away send it to a laboratory and 922 00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:27,500 remember we found it like 65 years ago 923 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:30,300 uh that that particular dating method 924 00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:32,040 won't work you know 925 00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:33,240 um maybe something in the future could 926 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,680 date this Pottery it looks like Western 927 00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:37,200 European Pottery according to uh a 928 00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,000 couple of different archaeologists so 929 00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,520 now how are they I mean what's your idea 930 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:43,859 oh somebody just posted I got a post 931 00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,180 check this out Aang says best for ever 932 00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:51,000 when you're a kid that's where you hang 933 00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:53,480 right there man 934 00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,359 but these stones and especially in this 935 00:36:03,349 --> 00:35:59,760 image these These are these are 936 00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,359 ginormous these are Big they're heavy 937 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:05,339 um are they Granite number one number 938 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,560 two what's how do you think they were 939 00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:10,320 moving these things around and number 940 00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,500 three uh what's above ground here is 941 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:16,079 amazing but you can see that there are 942 00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:19,020 Foundation Stones everywhere too as well 943 00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:21,420 how are they moving these Stones around 944 00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:22,980 back then 945 00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,020 right yeah they're they're definitely 946 00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:27,420 weren't afraid of work you know they uh 947 00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,420 we had a gentleman joined us in 78 he 948 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:32,160 passed away just as I was finding the 949 00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:34,619 serpentine walls in 16 and unfortunately 950 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,540 he passed away from cancer and he was 951 00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,940 such a a resource and a really nice 952 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:40,800 gentleman he played the bagpipes at a 953 00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:43,740 recording studio he left Connecticut uh 954 00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:46,140 in 72 I think went to England where for 955 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:47,640 what is today called British Heritage 956 00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,380 back then it might have been ancient 957 00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,119 sites or whatever the organization was 958 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,460 called he worked in Scotland he worked 959 00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:55,200 in England and he worked in megalithic 960 00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,500 sites in medieval he became well he was 961 00:37:01,609 --> 00:37:00,180 became an archaeologist and certified in 962 00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:01,619 that but he had a doctors in historical 963 00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,859 anthropology a doctors in Theology and 964 00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,079 he was a I think a 30-second Scott would 965 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,720 know I think it was a Scottish rites I 966 00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,280 think he used to go to Scotland pretty 967 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:13,380 much up to the time he passed away uh he 968 00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,820 had Scott a lot of Scott he played the 969 00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,800 bagpipes and everything but anyway he uh 970 00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:18,599 worked underway the stones were quarried 971 00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,900 off the hill starting in 78 uh how they 972 00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:23,640 were shaped or dressed how they were 973 00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,520 transported so he really got into that 974 00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,740 whole thing for that decades at our site 975 00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,599 mostly but he worked at another sites in 976 00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:33,119 the Northeast also and uh one of the 977 00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:34,440 things you mentioned before he died he 978 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,820 says I think what we have across the 979 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,160 Northeast is an ancient stone building 980 00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,560 or lithic culture that's not being you 981 00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:42,720 know acknowledged recognized and in some 982 00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,060 cases just kind of either forgotten or 983 00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:47,099 ridiculed by mainstream you know because 984 00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:48,420 these cites it there you can actually 985 00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,240 visit them uh I'm really fascinated by 986 00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:53,280 UFOs I've seen a couple but I can't 987 00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:55,140 bring one to you right now and show you 988 00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:56,940 it but I can show you these sites you 989 00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,599 know but he thinks simple Machinery uh 990 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,599 was Used Log rollers log levers inclined 991 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,060 planes of Earth but 992 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:08,400 um The Hilltop today has a forest on it 993 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:11,220 and soil we have been studying through 994 00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:14,180 shovel test pits or stps starting in 995 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,579 1991 and our archaeologists who work 996 00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,440 with our David Stuart Smith she was a 997 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,820 president of the New Hampshire 998 00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:22,740 archaeological Society she joined us in 999 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,560 1989 and she did a three-year project on 1000 00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:27,359 the astronomical alignment we call the 1001 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,780 north north stone monolith she actually 1002 00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,640 excavated in front of that found a fire 1003 00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:34,440 pit and it took three years to do this 1004 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,940 she did it very slowly she had some 1005 00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,560 assistance from her organization plus 1006 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:39,540 her own and she found a fire pit and 1007 00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,660 dated to uh about 700 A.D it was above 1008 00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,339 the base of the stone adjacent to this 1009 00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,320 this monolith so people saying all these 1010 00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:47,520 stones are all set up by the Paddy 1011 00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:50,040 family well that was standing there 1300 1012 00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,200 years ago when somebody used that stone 1013 00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,420 as a backstop for a fire we don't say 1014 00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:56,700 they built that I'll put that stone up 1015 00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:58,920 but somebody may have repurposed it or 1016 00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:01,980 reused a site later in time so we have a 1017 00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:04,200 date of about 1300 years at stonesman 1018 00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,339 Stadium we think it's been standing 1019 00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:07,200 there probably 4 000 years from the 1020 00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,220 astronomical data but these big slabs it 1021 00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:13,619 is granite it has quartz it is quartzite 1022 00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,800 it has feldspar Lakers in it and even 1023 00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,839 quartz crystals and that has been found 1024 00:39:23,290 --> 00:39:20,700 on the site the quartz crystals in a 1025 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:23,300 well actually my dad found him in 1963 1026 00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:27,000 but it's about 163 pounds per cubic foot 1027 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:29,099 so we can give you estimates of the 1028 00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:31,079 weight of the stone so the biggest roof 1029 00:39:35,569 --> 00:39:33,060 slab is not the one you're looking at 1030 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:35,579 right there it's uh actually to the 1031 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:37,260 right and it's past the East-West 1032 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:38,700 chamber the East-West Chambers to the 1033 00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:40,200 right of that photograph you were just 1034 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,320 looking at it weighs about 28 000 pounds 1035 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,720 so you're correct yeah I mean how did 1036 00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:47,220 they move them I still wonder how even 1037 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:50,339 with log rollers log levers moving these 1038 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,859 multi-ton stones and not killing 1039 00:40:00,490 --> 00:39:54,540 yourself too you know it's so dangerous 1040 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,329 this image that we have up on the screen 1041 00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:06,960 what are we looking at here 1042 00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,579 that chamber there is pretty much 1043 00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:10,260 original I don't think there's been any 1044 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,640 restoration that's been cleaned out 1045 00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:13,380 there's debris in it you know a good one 1046 00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,200 came along in 1937 and bought the 1047 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:18,660 property to research it and clean it and 1048 00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:21,420 restore it it's called The V Hut V is in 1049 00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:23,339 Victor the V Hut because it's shaped 1050 00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,359 like a V 1051 00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,460 it's the only structure on the site 1052 00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:28,560 that's facing Southwest it's kind of 1053 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:30,359 facing the winter solstice Sunset 1054 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:33,180 alignment uh when my dad and I were in 1055 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:34,200 Ireland 1056 00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:36,060 um we went to see a lot of these sites 1057 00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,619 as I mentioned and one of them was the 1058 00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,560 wedge tombs of Ireland then the wedge 1059 00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,720 tombs uh are kind of shaped like a wedge 1060 00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,000 sometimes they have a flat back wall a 1061 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,400 mini wall in the back but generally the 1062 00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:49,560 kind of v-shaped and had that same kind 1063 00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:51,780 of stone work on top that roof they 1064 00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:55,619 always face Southwest so uh is it a 1065 00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,720 coincidence perhaps I don't think so 1066 00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,820 when you find Sev I know there's other 1067 00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,200 structures too on the site we can talk 1068 00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,660 about but the size the shape and the 1069 00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:05,220 orientation of this structure the 1070 00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,780 East-West chamber and a couple others 1071 00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,359 are the same here as on the other side 1072 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,920 of the ocean you know it's like how many 1073 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,140 coincidences can you have and by the way 1074 00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:15,180 they're not only in like honey meet 1075 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,680 Ireland has them in other places in 1076 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,240 Ireland have these wedge teams and they 1077 00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:20,280 were used to burials on the right side 1078 00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,020 you see some slabs when you look at some 1079 00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,240 of the pitches and what we visited in 1080 00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,339 Ireland there's slabs on the side too 1081 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:28,560 over there it's like are those blocking 1082 00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:31,320 Stones do they put a deceased person in 1083 00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:33,180 there and then you know block it for a 1084 00:41:39,609 --> 00:41:36,900 time you know I don't know but huge 1085 00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:39,619 those are they are yeah I mean imagine 1086 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:43,920 and actually in Spain I have some 3D uh 1087 00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,500 images of ones in Spain the problem with 1088 00:41:50,089 --> 00:41:48,480 the ones from Spain they were 3D they 1089 00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,099 didn't give orientation on a true north 1090 00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:52,680 and they did not give you a size but 1091 00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,140 they look just like that too including a 1092 00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,880 little Basin and the same side that our 1093 00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,800 patients cut into the Bedrock and a 1094 00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:00,720 little notch on the roof it's like is 1095 00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,700 that more coincidences I you know it's 1096 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,839 hard to believe really it's all 1097 00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:05,520 coincidental you know but archaeologists 1098 00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:08,040 love the word coincidence but that is 1099 00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:10,200 one of the first Windows they found it's 1100 00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,890 how big is that main Stone in width 1101 00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:21,420 it's probably I should say a weed 1102 00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,020 whacking today uh we weed whack a lot of 1103 00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,300 the hills really a lot of work but I had 1104 00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:29,099 the weed whack it to really open it up 1105 00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:31,079 I'm doing some VIP tours you know 1106 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:33,240 specially arranged tours and that I took 1107 00:42:37,870 --> 00:42:35,700 Scott on his tour last uh Halloween uh 1108 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:37,880 with Haley and we walked down there and 1109 00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,220 that was found probably around spring of 1110 00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:44,400 2016. that Stone's probably about almost 1111 00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,380 four feet across it's a little bit 1112 00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,599 shorter than that and it has that 1113 00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:50,820 beautiful opening well on the left side 1114 00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,740 out of the frame and I got to get enough 1115 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:54,000 I got to get some better pictures of 1116 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,500 this there's two more windows on the 1117 00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:57,180 left side and there's another window on 1118 00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,099 the right side out of the frame 1119 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,380 out of the frame on the right side just 1120 00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,880 before that other window there's a 1121 00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:04,319 vertical Stone standing in the dirt 1122 00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:06,599 leaning against the wall and my 1123 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,280 assistant archaeologist 1124 00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:10,500 um his name is Pete was looking at that 1125 00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,940 he was just astonished by these things 1126 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:13,619 because again these things are just 1127 00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,780 revealing themselves to us after 60 1128 00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,640 something years we're just finding these 1129 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,560 things now and they they're right we 1130 00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:21,660 should have seen them years ago uh my 1131 00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,339 dad just he just went out and looked at 1132 00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:25,319 these walls all the time including a Dr 1133 00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:27,540 Winkler an ocular astronomer from Penn 1134 00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,780 State from 987 to 2001 when he suddenly 1135 00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,940 passed away from a heart attack he was 1136 00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,500 just amazed by the site and got himself 1137 00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,300 into it towards the end of his career at 1138 00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,280 Penn State they would go around for 1139 00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,619 hours while I was flying and then my dad 1140 00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:42,119 would tell me in the evening back at the 1141 00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,980 hotel he called me or call him and I 1142 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,900 said uh what are you guys up to he goes 1143 00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:47,760 well uh Louis Winkler came up today and 1144 00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:49,020 we've been riding around looking at the 1145 00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,300 walls but they never saw the serpentine 1146 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,339 patent and they never saw the windows 1147 00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:55,920 you know they can hide in front of your 1148 00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,440 eyes and this one here I mean a dog can 1149 00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:59,760 run through that thing and know like I 1150 00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:01,319 have a Nova Scotia Duck trolling trees 1151 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,460 you'd probably hop right through there 1152 00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,560 but what I was going to mention the 1153 00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:06,900 right side of that uh you can't see is a 1154 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:09,180 standing Stone it's a small one in my my 1155 00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,220 assistant said can we take that stone 1156 00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,440 move it put it in we don't like to touch 1157 00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,119 anything in our site archaeologically 1158 00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,099 but this is kind of like an experiment 1159 00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:19,380 and we had to put it back after in the 1160 00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,300 right position it's still there today we 1161 00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:23,339 took it and put it inside and it's it 1162 00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:25,800 fits perfectly and we found some of 1163 00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:27,240 these other windows seem to have the 1164 00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:29,220 same thing they're shattered like a 1165 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,380 stone shutter and that thing fits 1166 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,540 perfectly in there and it's the next one 1167 00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:35,280 I think on the left has a stone that 1168 00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,020 fell in front of it I think it's a stone 1169 00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:39,300 shutter I haven't moved it I I hate to 1170 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:40,920 move anything there but we might do that 1171 00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,160 just to see again but there's 20 22 of 1172 00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:46,740 those windows all over the hill 1173 00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,339 um 1174 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:49,859 I will say that uh they're not just at 1175 00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:51,240 our site they're at other sites too 1176 00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,680 they're finding them and the Berkshires 1177 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,300 in Mass 1178 00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,599 um Jim Vieira uh knows of the serpent 1179 00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:59,220 walls out near his neck of the woods I 1180 00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:00,180 don't know if you know Jamie's been on 1181 00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:01,260 History Channel 1182 00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,000 username remember one of my dad's 1183 00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,700 members of my dad's group he had his own 1184 00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,319 TV show in history you know with his 1185 00:45:11,770 --> 00:45:09,720 brother but uh in some of the serpentine 1186 00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:11,780 walls and this is a serpentine wall 1187 00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:14,880 there's Windows uh they're in 1188 00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,859 Connecticut too they're in uh North 1189 00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:19,680 Stonington Connecticut 1190 00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,619 um people call these Soul holes they 1191 00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:25,020 call them Spirit Windows right my friend 1192 00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:26,339 from England 1193 00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,099 um Maria Wheatley uh her dad came to us 1194 00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,480 40 years ago and she's trying to get 1195 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,280 over here she goes to Sedona she goes 1196 00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,140 all LA and stuff she's going to visit us 1197 00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,720 and I did a couple podcasts she goes we 1198 00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,940 have those in dot more England and she 1199 00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:40,680 sent me a picture it's it's like ours 1200 00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,359 and they call them Soul holes it's where 1201 00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:44,099 the spirit can flow through that's what 1202 00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,420 the belief is today we don't know for 1203 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:47,640 sure you know let's uh let's go to this 1204 00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:50,760 next year this that's insane 1205 00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,730 yeah that's the biggest chamber on the 1206 00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,260 site you're looking true self uh it's 1207 00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:00,480 got kind of a long axis uh it's next to 1208 00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:02,220 the sacrificial table which is not in 1209 00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,660 the frame obviously but you're inside 1210 00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,280 this chamber and it's got you know huge 1211 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:07,680 stones for the roof slabs it runs almost 1212 00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,440 30 feet from the entrance to behind 1213 00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,660 where I'm standing in this photograph 1214 00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:15,119 uh it actually has an Avenue to the left 1215 00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:16,859 inside of the site an Avenue goes down 1216 00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:19,260 to about 20 feet if you should strip the 1217 00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,180 roof off of this and you look down at it 1218 00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:23,460 it would look like the letter y is in 1219 00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,040 Yankee it has that shape to it it has 1220 00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:28,560 five closets it has one window actually 1221 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,800 two windows it has a deer carving an 1222 00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:33,900 arrow carving it has two underground 1223 00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:36,119 drains one of them running 45 feet these 1224 00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,220 drains are storm drains engineered into 1225 00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,260 building a site by the original Builders 1226 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,960 there's about 12 of them and I know 1227 00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:44,400 Scott thought they were pretty cool you 1228 00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,960 know on everybody else's research come 1229 00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,040 up and they take note of that because 1230 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,319 the site was not thrown together it was 1231 00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,119 thought out I think and the reason they 1232 00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,800 didn't just keep the Bedrock dry without 1233 00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,839 soil and vegetation the Bedrock collects 1234 00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:56,579 water it doesn't really seep into it has 1235 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,220 to evaporate pretty much they engineered 1236 00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,720 a whole set of storm drains throughout 1237 00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,520 the entire site and this chamber has two 1238 00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:03,839 of those storm drains and they still 1239 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,599 work today uh it has a speaking tube a 1240 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,700 horizontal tube that goes through it 1241 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:10,319 would be in this picture on the upper 1242 00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:11,940 right it's kind of out of sight but it's 1243 00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,140 a six foot two 1244 00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:15,839 and when Mr Goodwin came in 36 bought 1245 00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,180 the site in 37 they didn't see the 1246 00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:19,920 speaking tube it had two plugs of stone 1247 00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,619 in it and they built a bunk house just 1248 00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:24,540 outside the fence where people could 1249 00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,980 stay overnight they were working on the 1250 00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,200 site doing research and you know 1251 00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:31,020 excavation and repairs a young man named 1252 00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:32,339 Paul I'm still trying to get his last 1253 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,380 name this would have been around 1937. 1254 00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,240 he realized that there was a loose Stone 1255 00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:38,400 and he moved it he went back I guess to 1256 00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:39,720 the bunk house got a knife a kitchen 1257 00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,339 knife and he wiggled it in between the 1258 00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:43,500 stones and the stone came out and he saw 1259 00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:47,460 this six foot tube horizontally and 1260 00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,260 um the next year they cleaned outside 1261 00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:52,020 the sacrificial table which was buried 1262 00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,359 up to its bottom with about two and a 1263 00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,400 half to three feet of dirt they thought 1264 00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,079 the table was sitting on the ground and 1265 00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:59,520 when they dug down they found it was 1266 00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:01,500 sitting on four legs Stone legs you know 1267 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,270 how tall is that door 1268 00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,680 uh you uh you know Scott Walters six 1269 00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:12,180 foot he could walk in there you know 1270 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,339 Scott's like six two or whatever it's 1271 00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:16,800 probably six and a half I think that 1272 00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:19,260 that door six and a half feet tall I 1273 00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,700 would say roughly that yeah I should get 1274 00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:22,560 the measuring sticking but when Scott 1275 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:24,140 walks in there and he's pretty tall or 1276 00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,540 uh he's a good boy you know Brad Olson I 1277 00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,920 I think he might have to touch his head 1278 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,660 a little bit but uh Brad's been to our 1279 00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:32,460 side a few times but I would say 1280 00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,859 somewhere around six it depends because 1281 00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:36,240 the bedrock's a little uneven so 1282 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:37,560 wherever you measure it might be like 1283 00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,200 six in one place where I'm standing the 1284 00:48:44,329 --> 00:48:42,540 Bedrock actually goes up so I'm standing 1285 00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:44,339 there and I think it's almost touching 1286 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,619 my head I'm like five eight you know so 1287 00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:48,480 it kind of varies a little bit but the 1288 00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:50,460 entrance is the highest yeah 1289 00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:53,700 but Brad Olson is seven foot I thought 1290 00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,800 so yeah he comes into a visitor center 1291 00:48:58,930 --> 00:48:57,359 ducking his head at the entrance he's 1292 00:49:03,530 --> 00:48:58,940 been there a couple times 1293 00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:03,540 he's one tall drink of water yeah I 1294 00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,099 didn't I didn't realize that it was that 1295 00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,119 big 1296 00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,480 yeah and Scott Scott's a tall guy yeah 1297 00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:15,240 and so yeah Scott can walk through that 1298 00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,819 doorway without ducking I think yeah 1299 00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:20,160 yeah I'm pretty sure that Scotty had no 1300 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,780 problem and it might be just above his 1301 00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:23,640 head you know you get it to Brad Olson 1302 00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,079 he probably have to duck a little 1303 00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,359 bit you know or maybe a basketball 1304 00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:29,099 player but 1305 00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,020 um it's vertical stacking of stones in 1306 00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,180 there but that little wing to the east 1307 00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:35,400 is actually corbelt the actual ceiling 1308 00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:37,140 actually tilts in like an inverted 1309 00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,300 staircase so they use core building on 1310 00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,800 our site which seems to be an old world 1311 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:43,200 or perhaps even they used it down in 1312 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,700 Mexico I think and probably I haven't 1313 00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,040 been to South America but it's like an 1314 00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:49,440 inverted staircase it's not a true Arch 1315 00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:51,660 but it does kind of bridge the sailing 1316 00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:54,060 almost like a vaulted ceiling or maybe a 1317 00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,980 cathedral or something but that is 1318 00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,300 different than what you're looking at it 1319 00:50:02,530 --> 00:49:59,280 has a whole different flavor on that on 1320 00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:05,470 speaking to him 1321 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,160 oh my God okay yep so that I should get 1322 00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,480 a little bit better picture so you can 1323 00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:14,160 look through and you'll be looking under 1324 00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,960 the table about six feet on the other 1325 00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:18,180 side of that hole and again that they 1326 00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:20,700 got there at 37 uh 38 the next year and 1327 00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:22,560 they cleaned under the table pulled out 1328 00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:25,140 a stone plug there's the whole tube the 1329 00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,460 interesting thing is why would anybody 1330 00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,800 plug that up you know uh it's like maybe 1331 00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,720 winterizing your Camp if you're leaving 1332 00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:32,880 it you know or something like that the 1333 00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:34,859 storm drains by the way had plugs in 1334 00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,319 them too that they found it's like they 1335 00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,540 actually put plugs in this place 1336 00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:41,760 including that tube for some reason 1337 00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:44,180 whoever they were you know 1338 00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:48,059 blocking Spirits it could be you know it 1339 00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,319 might have been you know I mean I think 1340 00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,960 it is a spiritual place by the way below 1341 00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:53,880 that I think Brad could fit in there 1342 00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:56,339 that is a entrance you can't quite see 1343 00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:57,480 it but that's the entrance to an 1344 00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,640 eight-foot bit what we call a bed you 1345 00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:01,740 could actually almost anybody pretty 1346 00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:03,000 much could climb right in there and 1347 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,859 there's a window in there at this end of 1348 00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:06,240 it you're laying in there you look 1349 00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:07,200 through the window you can see the 1350 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:09,720 entire uh structure you can see the East 1351 00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,880 Wing you can see around all around you 1352 00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,520 so people called it the Abbott's bed Mr 1353 00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:16,619 Goodwin called it that back in the 1930s 1354 00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:18,059 she thought the Irish monks were the 1355 00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,800 Builders of the site so he had the 1356 00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,780 abbots you know this was their their 1357 00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,059 place that they were um you know um 1358 00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,339 teaching Christianity and you know to 1359 00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,319 Native Americans according to his theory 1360 00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:30,839 and this was the main site and he knew 1361 00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,079 of about 15 other sites around the 1362 00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:36,480 Northeast compared to the 800 we have 1363 00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:38,280 today but he thought this was the 1364 00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:39,720 Abbott's house you know this is a place 1365 00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:41,400 where he would stay and there is a 1366 00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:42,839 chimney flew on the other side of this 1367 00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:46,260 structure and he heated it up to about 1368 00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:48,780 80 degrees uh back in the 30s as an 1369 00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:50,579 experiment has two Stone movers they had 1370 00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,020 a stone that slid over the top to 1371 00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:54,000 conceal it I don't think it's a living 1372 00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:55,980 place unless it was a place where Shaman 1373 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,740 or somebody spent a couple days there I 1374 00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,240 just don't see it as a home like The 1375 00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,579 Flintstones but I think during 1376 00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,760 ceremonies Solstice equinoxes maybe 1377 00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:08,220 somebody died maybe a marriage maybe a 1378 00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:10,020 birth people might come to this 1379 00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,359 particular site as a pilgrimage and then 1380 00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:14,400 you'd have your priest or Shaman and 1381 00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:16,740 these structures taking care of them but 1382 00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:18,540 that's speaking to we think the voice of 1383 00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,859 you yell through there comes out under 1384 00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,960 the table it almost like The Wizard of 1385 00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:23,579 Oz you know you're standing outside on 1386 00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:25,800 this platform about five feet above the 1387 00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,900 table looking down at it and you hear 1388 00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:29,880 this voice during some sort of ceremony 1389 00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:32,579 taking place you know uh that might be 1390 00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:34,140 the reason they blocked it up if anybody 1391 00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:35,700 ever snuck in it it would never see the 1392 00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:37,380 speaking tube they kept it concealed for 1393 00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,140 that you know uh well maybe you say when 1394 00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,140 you say Irish or you know anybody you 1395 00:52:48,589 --> 00:52:46,559 know European descent and you know the 1396 00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:48,599 pilgrimage and Plymouth and 1397 00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:52,020 Massachusetts no this is obviously 1398 00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:56,040 predating all of that by a long time you 1399 00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:58,920 can tell by looking at it that this is 1400 00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:01,800 really really old it's not hundreds of 1401 00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,819 years old no this is this is old stuff 1402 00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,880 and the evidence seems to just suggest 1403 00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:11,700 that uh and we do know now the Native 1404 00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:13,800 Americans are in um New Hampshire and 1405 00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,180 it's kind of a surprise because they get 1406 00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,700 the New Hampshire oncological societies 1407 00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,500 Publications and again our archaeologist 1408 00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:21,480 was a president of that and she's 1409 00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:23,940 retired now from us and she still 1410 00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:25,140 participates with that but she really 1411 00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:26,579 can't do the physical labor she was 1412 00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,619 doing you know she's in her 80s but New 1413 00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:30,720 Hampshire has no evidence of 13 000 year 1414 00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:33,420 old paleo Indian uh over in Keene New 1415 00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,640 Hampshire on the Connecticut River so 1416 00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:36,960 that would be the first thing you could 1417 00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,660 look at and if that doesn't fit maybe it 1418 00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,280 was old world visitors especially with 1419 00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,500 some of the uh the uh I'm not an 1420 00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:45,359 architect but the size the shape the 1421 00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:46,920 orientation certain architectural 1422 00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,119 features 1423 00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:49,920 but another thing we're looking at is a 1424 00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,540 standard unit of measure 1425 00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:54,480 so Goodwin's right-hand man back in 37 1426 00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:57,300 was Roscoe Whitney from an MIT graduate 1427 00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,099 he was an engineer he was from 1428 00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,440 Leominster Mass about 50 miles west of 1429 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,200 here and he worked on the site he did 1430 00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,000 beautiful artwork I'm not at work he did 1431 00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:07,920 beautiful diagrams he had a plane table 1432 00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:09,480 we have pictures of him standing there 1433 00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:11,880 with his pith helmet on and he was doing 1434 00:54:20,569 --> 00:54:14,099 cross sections of the site the main site 1435 00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:20,579 uh profile and um uh also uh he was 1436 00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:22,140 actually doing sections of the site and 1437 00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,359 labeled the chambers you know everything 1438 00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:26,700 was done so nicely but what he said is I 1439 00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:27,720 don't know who 1440 00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,300 whoever built this didn't know or given 1441 00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,160 to him about linear measurements because 1442 00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,680 I looked at the size the shape or the 1443 00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:36,180 size the length and the depth of these 1444 00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:37,619 structures I measured them very 1445 00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,660 carefully and they don't conform to 1446 00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:41,579 Imperial measurements like inches feet 1447 00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:43,260 yards which you think the Paddy family 1448 00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,819 if they built it probably would have 1449 00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:46,440 used you know if he didn't know any 1450 00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:48,359 other measuring system that the site 1451 00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,420 conformed to and um back in the 70s I 1452 00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:54,240 built the diorama in 77 I don't know if 1453 00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:55,800 we have a picture of that I built it in 1454 00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:59,099 college and it has about uh 20 acres 15 1455 00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:00,900 Acres of the where all the astronomical 1456 00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:03,780 alignments are and the main site and I 1457 00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:05,339 had to go measure a few things up there 1458 00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,260 we were already aware of the megalithic 1459 00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,540 god found over in Europe by Dr Alexander 1460 00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:10,319 Tom 1461 00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,319 and it seemed like at the time that 1462 00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,880 seemed to fit pretty good but it was 1463 00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:17,160 preliminary it wasn't conclusive and we 1464 00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:19,740 were not professionals uh we have done 1465 00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:21,300 more of that recently in the last couple 1466 00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:22,980 years we went up and started using the 1467 00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,859 megalithic I just to see if it fit it 1468 00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,599 does seem to fit and my son's an 1469 00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,640 engineer too he measures things in our 1470 00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:32,220 assistant archaeologist he's a with the 1471 00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,020 University of Boulder he went to school 1472 00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,000 in College New Hampshire and it became a 1473 00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,980 basically a stone Mason he does that out 1474 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,599 for a living measuring things he helped 1475 00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,000 me with some of the measurements and it 1476 00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:45,000 seems to conform to the megalithic yard 1477 00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:48,359 yeah there is a doctor clock from BYU 1478 00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:50,579 and he's been doing studies in South 1479 00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:52,800 America Mexico and in the southern 1480 00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,319 Mounds like Watson break and poverty 1481 00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,839 point and a friend of mine Mark Eddie 1482 00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:59,280 from West Virginia he's really big on 1483 00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:00,300 all this you may have heard you might 1484 00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:01,740 have I think Mike got made my first show 1485 00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:03,420 with you as a matter of fact he sent me 1486 00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,900 all this information and Dr Clark it's 1487 00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,420 really well written but 83 centimeters 1488 00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,740 is one of the measurements there was 1489 00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:12,900 another two so I converted it into 1490 00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,660 inches it is a megalithic yard and I'm 1491 00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,300 like wow so I think more has to be paid 1492 00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,200 attention to that possibility too so a 1493 00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,119 32.64 inches is also a thing called the 1494 00:56:30,049 --> 00:56:27,599 Spanish Vera that's 32.68 is very very 1495 00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:30,059 close to that and as it when the India 1496 00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:32,099 called I think was called The Royal the 1497 00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:33,900 Royal it was like a royal yacht or 1498 00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:37,319 whatever it's just under 33 inches but 1499 00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:38,940 this measurement when you do the cable 1500 00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,059 the groove on the table the chambers 1501 00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,460 it works and my son goes you know what I 1502 00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:47,040 think uh Roscoe was right because we 1503 00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:48,900 tried to look at whatever inches and all 1504 00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:50,280 because it just doesn't made up you 1505 00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:52,200 might find the length of the Oracle 1506 00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:55,559 chamber is like 27.5 feet you know it 1507 00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:57,780 just doesn't come out with anything you 1508 00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,079 know like a whole number or some portion 1509 00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:03,960 so um the standard unit measurement it 1510 00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,059 seems to be at our site the thing in at 1511 00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,400 other sites uh in the Northeast too they 1512 00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,020 have to do more work with that I think 1513 00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:12,000 but it's it's interesting you know at 1514 00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:12,960 this point 1515 00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,480 what does the and we'll talk about we're 1516 00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:17,460 going to take a break here in a minute 1517 00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,099 um uh and we'll talk more about this 1518 00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:23,760 when we come back but what what does the 1519 00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,780 local indigenous cultures uh say about 1520 00:57:32,329 --> 00:57:29,700 this site 1521 00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:32,339 well uh one of them came up for the 1522 00:57:35,809 --> 00:57:34,020 holsophiles three years ago with David 1523 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:35,819 Schrader and Scott Walters was a guest 1524 00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:38,940 on that and uh his name is David Daryl 1525 00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,619 Jameson and he's been to our site a 1526 00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:42,540 couple times and I got to talk to him 1527 00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:43,980 during the filming three years ago just 1528 00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,260 about three years ago he did that and he 1529 00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:48,540 spent uh afternoon and evening with us 1530 00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,180 he said his one of his first visits he 1531 00:57:54,829 --> 00:57:53,280 was with uh kind of a group I'm not sure 1532 00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:54,839 I think it was uh David Brody and a 1533 00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:57,240 couple other people and he got about on 1534 00:58:02,750 --> 00:57:59,819 the site and he fell ill he had a bad 1535 00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,760 reaction to the site and it kind of 1536 00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,319 scared him he had to make his way back 1537 00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,660 to the uh bill this Visitor Center and 1538 00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,920 then eventually made him his way back 1539 00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:09,240 and then he felt better 1540 00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:10,980 so when they filmed him for the Holter 1541 00:58:14,809 --> 00:58:12,780 files he would not go on the site they 1542 00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:14,819 filmed them uh halfway between the what 1543 00:58:20,089 --> 00:58:16,859 we call the watch house which is a 1544 00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:20,099 satellite chamber and the visitor center 1545 00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,339 um he has he told me uh about 25 orkney 1546 00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:25,440 Island blood and he thinks he's related 1547 00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,440 to the Sinclair Expedition Sir Henry uh 1548 00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,559 Sir James Gunn so his name is Jamison he 1549 00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:34,559 says Jamison so it goes James and then 1550 00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:36,420 the son of James and he believes that 1551 00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,520 blood comes down with Sir Henry 1552 00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:40,559 Sinclair's expedition to the new world 1553 00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,260 and the other part of his blood was of 1554 00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:44,880 course Native American he goes that part 1555 00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,920 of that really disturbs me about this 1556 00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,200 site he goes it's a beautiful sight but 1557 00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,119 I have this reaction to it he goes it's 1558 00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:53,280 not my people and then we had Paulo 1559 00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:54,839 Underwood she wasn't a local though she 1560 00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:58,079 was Iroquois she was a consultant out in 1561 00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,819 California and she came to our place a 1562 00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,200 couple times she wrote The Walking 1563 00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,200 people and the walking people was 1564 00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:06,240 um her family's history going back 10 1565 00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,299 000 years and in that she said that her 1566 00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:11,040 dad helped teacher at two different ways 1567 00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:13,140 to keep the story proper and straight 1568 00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:15,540 and accurate there are some sort of 1569 00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:17,940 strange stone structures in her her 1570 00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,700 history her all history and according to 1571 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,500 that it wasn't her people that built 1572 00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:24,240 these stone structures it was somebody 1573 00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,339 else so the book's interesting she has 1574 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,559 passed away since then 1575 00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:30,480 um and I she looked probably in the 1576 00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:32,280 Great Lakes New York area and there are 1577 00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,660 stone structures out there and that 1578 00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:35,400 might be what her oral tradition is 1579 00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,079 talking about and they may be related to 1580 00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:39,420 our site but in our area we had the 1581 00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:42,839 Penacook and a Pawtucket and the 1582 00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:45,240 Pentucket Native Americans in on either 1583 00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:47,880 side of our site uh a mile and the other 1584 00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,799 one's about a mile and a half uh two 1585 00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:51,359 Native American Trails one is the 1586 00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:53,400 Pentucket one is the Pawtucket and the 1587 00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,900 spigot river that goes right by the 1588 00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:56,819 glacial Cliff shelter probably was a 1589 01:00:00,770 --> 00:59:58,680 highway used by Native Americans too and 1590 01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:00,780 then we have the uh pottery from them in 1591 01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,240 the glacial Cliff shelter in our parking 1592 01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,280 lot back about 30 years ago our 1593 01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:07,920 archaeologist Pat what I mentioned she 1594 01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,740 found a 30-foot diameter Wigwam it was 1595 01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,720 all the post moles where the pulse one 1596 01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:15,359 stood and three common datings from 1597 01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,880 three charcoal samples dated 2 000 years 1598 01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:20,160 old 1700 and I think the other one was 1599 01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:22,380 like 1600 and that puts it back to the 1600 01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:24,299 same time period as Pottery found a half 1601 01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:25,980 a mile away in the glacier Cliff shelter 1602 01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:29,220 so the thought is they used to Wigwam uh 1603 01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,260 for winter time and they used the 1604 01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:33,000 glacial Cliff shelter because it's on 1605 01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,920 the West Side the northwesterly breezes 1606 01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,020 come in over the spigot River and keep 1607 01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,119 the shelter cool so we have a Native 1608 01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:41,760 American presence on our Hill but 1609 01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,280 unfortunately because of diseases I 1610 01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:47,280 think Hepatitis B smallpox uh about 90 1611 01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,380 of the Native Americans in this in New 1612 01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:50,940 England and in other words and even down 1613 01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:53,099 in South America uh you know they died 1614 01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:55,559 out so we lost a lot of oral history I 1615 01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,000 think you know a lot of that's missing 1616 01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:59,280 so we could fit some pieces of that but 1617 01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,839 your question is wonderful you know we 1618 01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,880 have a few Native Americans including a 1619 01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:05,359 Wampanoag she's from the Plymouth Mass 1620 01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,740 she came to our site a couple times and 1621 01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:09,660 she was fascinated by it but she says my 1622 01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,160 oral tradition talks about the Vikings 1623 01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:13,200 going to Cape Cod because they found an 1624 01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,780 ax head out Cape Cod that was Viking but 1625 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,760 it was somewhat like well did the Native 1626 01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,960 Americans trade it down from 1627 01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,579 Newfoundland or whatever or were the 1628 01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,619 Vikings actually here but one of the 1629 01:01:27,049 --> 01:01:24,720 sagas actually talks about an elbow land 1630 01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:27,059 sounds like Cape Cod she was pretty sure 1631 01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,400 that Vikings made it to there but our 1632 01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,960 site she didn't have any specifics other 1633 01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:32,160 than she thought it was a very 1634 01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,260 fascinating site you know I didn't could 1635 01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:36,000 get too much more out of it 1636 01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,520 if we're if we're dealing with something 1637 01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:41,640 that is uh possibly you know thousands 1638 01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:45,240 of years old which it appears to me when 1639 01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:46,740 we come back we've got some other stuff 1640 01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:48,839 we're going to discuss but who could 1641 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:50,280 have built it 1642 01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:54,720 I mean uh did North American indigenous 1643 01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,480 tribes have knowledge of levers and 1644 01:02:02,990 --> 01:01:59,700 pulleys and ropes 1645 01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:03,000 it it and and Coring Stones so we have 1646 01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:04,920 Chaco Canyon and we have other things 1647 01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,260 but the dating on that it doesn't go 1648 01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,839 back that far and it's it's a bit 1649 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:11,099 different 1650 01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:13,740 uh who could have built this 1651 01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:17,599 are we talking about a European uh uh 1652 01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:22,619 occupation of of America even before 1653 01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:24,920 Scott Walters best guess 1654 01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,500 I mean that's a great question and uh I 1655 01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:30,540 hope that evidence and new technologies 1656 01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:34,380 uh uh open up more information to us so 1657 01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,839 we have a better idea but certainly they 1658 01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:38,400 did in Western Europe there were 50 000 1659 01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:39,780 megalithic sites they go right into 1660 01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:42,480 Russia Euro Mountain website 3 500 1661 01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,579 Chambers and one of the first ones that 1662 01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:46,260 comes up on that website looks like one 1663 01:02:49,309 --> 01:02:47,880 of the structures about five miles away 1664 01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,319 in Windham New Hampshire and I show 1665 01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:51,359 people they look identical over in 1666 01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:53,040 Russia they accept them as ancient over 1667 01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:54,900 here oh some Farmers must build them 1668 01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:56,700 right um and then the next picture comes 1669 01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:58,140 up looks like the inside of our Oracle 1670 01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,880 chamber I have it on my PowerPoint and I 1671 01:03:02,750 --> 01:03:01,380 pull it up I have to okay that's the 1672 01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:02,760 Oracle chamber that's the structure in 1673 01:03:07,609 --> 01:03:05,460 Russia they go into China India we've 1674 01:03:09,170 --> 01:03:07,619 had people from India visiting and I uh 1675 01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,180 I've been told they know about their 1676 01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:11,359 history but the megalithic maybe 1677 01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:14,460 Neolithic time period they work Fighters 1678 01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:16,980 into that they they pull up the website 1679 01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:19,500 at our place and they're heading back to 1680 01:03:22,490 --> 01:03:20,700 India at some point and they were like 1681 01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:22,500 oh my God they didn't even know they had 1682 01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,819 the megalithic sites there and they 1683 01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:25,680 actually have a very nice website the 1684 01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:27,720 last I heard they're in New Zealand and 1685 01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:29,220 they're in Australia but they're in 1686 01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:31,260 South America too so your question is 1687 01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:32,700 wonderful but they kind of not only 1688 01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:34,020 Western Europe but they're in many many 1689 01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:35,700 parts of the world I say they're on six 1690 01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:37,260 continents out of seven continents 1691 01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,480 megalithic sites and they keep popping 1692 01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:41,579 up you know all right let's take our 1693 01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:42,900 break right here our guest tonight 1694 01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:44,940 Dennis Stone Dennis Stone is here with 1695 01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:47,760 us from America's Stonehenge this is 1696 01:03:51,890 --> 01:03:49,980 Fade to Black we'll be 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fascinating absolutely 1795 01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,720 fascinating and uh uh I had a long 1796 01:08:05,289 --> 01:08:02,400 conversation with Scott Walter about 1797 01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:05,299 America Stonehenge uh not too long ago 1798 01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:09,720 and every time I see it uh Dennis I it's 1799 01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:12,599 just it's one of the most impressive uh 1800 01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:16,140 sites just just anywhere and it's right 1801 01:08:21,769 --> 01:08:18,420 here in the United States 1802 01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:21,779 um and this next image uh Dennis that 1803 01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:25,080 I'm gonna pull up is uh what is called 1804 01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:28,500 the sacrificial table uh controversial 1805 01:08:38,030 --> 01:08:33,179 uh for for good reason uh let me pull it 1806 01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:38,040 up here and you had said earlier that uh 1807 01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:40,679 originally this was all filled in with 1808 01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:42,779 dirt so they thought that this Stone was 1809 01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:45,420 lying flat on the ground right that is 1810 01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:47,940 correct yeah in fact we have photographs 1811 01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:51,540 again going back to 1900 uh 1920s and it 1812 01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:54,420 shows dirt right up to the bottom of the 1813 01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:57,480 slab the legs were concealed or hidden 1814 01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:58,859 by the dirt 1815 01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:01,799 um that dirt I think in 1938 to second 1816 01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:04,620 year they actually got down excavated 1817 01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:06,420 that and then they found the four legs 1818 01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,100 you can see two of the legs right there 1819 01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:10,739 there's two more and then the very end 1820 01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,040 of the uh slab is actually resting on 1821 01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:17,279 the Oracle chamber outside walls kind of 1822 01:09:20,689 --> 01:09:19,080 a facade and on the left side of the 1823 01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:20,699 table you can see one of those orthostat 1824 01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,920 stones we have those and you see them in 1825 01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:24,480 European sites you know and probably 1826 01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:26,100 other megalithic sites around the world 1827 01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,380 I've seen those too on the right side of 1828 01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:30,660 the tables an upright monolith and 1829 01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,000 there's a similar one to the left of the 1830 01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:35,040 table and so people call them Sentinels 1831 01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,739 uh one of them kind of has a wider shape 1832 01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:38,880 and the other one has just a little bit 1833 01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,100 skinnier and I know I've been to ABRA in 1834 01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,440 England and West Kennett Avenue they had 1835 01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:46,080 some monoliths and the suggestion was as 1836 01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,460 we don't know for sure because we can't 1837 01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:49,980 tell to the talk to the builders but the 1838 01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:51,540 wider hip ones might represent female 1839 01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:53,580 and a little bit taller than ones might 1840 01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:55,260 represent male it's just one of these 1841 01:09:59,870 --> 01:09:57,900 things you may never know uh but those 1842 01:10:02,030 --> 01:09:59,880 are big slabs and again that's multi-ton 1843 01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:02,040 slabs a table 1844 01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:05,580 um is about almost nine feet by six but 1845 01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:07,620 again nothing's in Imperial measurements 1846 01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,440 but it weighs about four and a half tons 1847 01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,780 you know nine thousand pounds and you 1848 01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,400 can see it's bell shaped it's kind of 1849 01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:16,260 bell-shaped with a left bottom of it 1850 01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,080 looks like the piece of stone uh either 1851 01:10:23,689 --> 01:10:21,360 broke off when they were building this 1852 01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,699 site or you know it's always like that 1853 01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:25,980 perhaps but the groove on the table you 1854 01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:27,719 can see too it's a very kind of a wide 1855 01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,640 Groove it's almost four inches by about 1856 01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:31,679 an inch and a half deep 1857 01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:33,780 um we thought that was a rectangular 1858 01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:36,900 shape roof it's in books by Goodwin and 1859 01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:38,760 all the other authors since then oh yeah 1860 01:10:43,970 --> 01:10:40,920 the rectangular groove on the table 1861 01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,980 I get up and measure that in 2016 and I 1862 01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:45,900 found that the bottom and I measured it 1863 01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:47,159 from the center of the groove to the 1864 01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,340 center is nine inches wider than the top 1865 01:10:54,910 --> 01:10:53,040 of the groove it's actually a trapezoid 1866 01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:54,920 um and by the way uh megalithic 1867 01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:57,300 measurements the groove at the bottom is 1868 01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:01,260 1.5 megalithic yards at the top 1.25 the 1869 01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,179 width of the table although Again part 1870 01:11:07,370 --> 01:11:05,280 of it's broken but the widest point is 1871 01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:07,380 just above the break on the left uh the 1872 01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:09,480 widest point is right there and that is 1873 01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:13,080 2.5 megalithic yards and near the top of 1874 01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:14,400 the table is actually another little 1875 01:11:18,410 --> 01:11:16,380 straight area and that's two megalithic 1876 01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:18,420 damage it could be Oak coincidental but 1877 01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:20,580 we put that out there we measured from 1878 01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:22,500 the Bedrock to the top of the table and 1879 01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,120 it comes out to like 33 and a half 1880 01:11:30,169 --> 01:11:27,360 inches uh and that's a megalithic yard 1881 01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,179 well finding a trapezoid shape in the 1882 01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:32,460 plan U of the floor plans of the 1883 01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,159 structures now uh we never knew that but 1884 01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:37,800 we've been using handheld lidar this 1885 01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,800 handheld lidar um is being used by a 1886 01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:42,480 gentleman from Connecticut he contacted 1887 01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:46,080 me in this early spring of 2020 called 1888 01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:48,540 me up and said I'd like to uh ask you if 1889 01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:50,460 we could come up with a lidar and he's a 1890 01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:52,020 landscape architect with a master's 1891 01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:53,219 degree he's been doing that for 30 years 1892 01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:55,500 but he bought the slider fifty thousand 1893 01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,560 dollar unit and I said sure come on up 1894 01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,199 so he came up a few times he mapped 15 1895 01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:05,040 Acres he bought the uh the uh device 1896 01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:07,260 from Florida but he bought the software 1897 01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:09,780 from a company in Montreal and he also 1898 01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,640 bought a kind of a super computer it 1899 01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,920 took up 600 hours to process the data 1900 01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:15,840 for just the 15 Acres 1901 01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:17,580 and when you look at it you can see down 1902 01:12:22,090 --> 01:12:20,460 to a centimeter and we're using that I 1903 01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,100 think we'll be able to use that for 1904 01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:24,360 identifying if the site was using 1905 01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:28,320 megalithic yards you know uh but also it 1906 01:12:33,050 --> 01:12:31,260 reveals that the trapezoid shape is in 1907 01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:33,060 the uh different chambers one of them's 1908 01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:34,679 called the chamber in ruins it has about 1909 01:12:39,290 --> 01:12:38,159 a 7 000 pound roof slab fallen into it 1910 01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:39,300 it's always been there we don't know if 1911 01:12:43,070 --> 01:12:40,739 the patties knocked it down or an 1912 01:12:45,530 --> 01:12:43,080 earthquake knocked that in but he's able 1913 01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,540 to um get the Imaging and you look at it 1914 01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,520 and we went back and measured it it's a 1915 01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,679 trapezoid floor plan another chamber 1916 01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:51,120 called The Paddy chamber they weren't 1917 01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,260 they didn't build it but it's in the 1918 01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:54,000 area where their wooden house was it's 1919 01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:56,460 trapezoid and it went over to an area to 1920 01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,380 the left of the table out of the frame 1921 01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,719 it's like a little alcove it has two 1922 01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,820 little niches and when you look down at 1923 01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,520 it it has these walls either you can see 1924 01:13:10,189 --> 01:13:08,100 the trapezoid shape so we're finding 1925 01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,199 rather than 90 degree corners or finding 1926 01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:12,960 a trapezoid shape uh that's used in a 1927 01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:14,699 lot of sites in different parts of the 1928 01:13:18,050 --> 01:13:16,620 world and I read in England and I've 1929 01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:18,060 been there a few times but some of the 1930 01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:20,340 chambers have a trapezoid floor plan so 1931 01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,659 we've got to look at that a little bit 1932 01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:23,760 more you know but it doesn't seem to be 1933 01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:26,940 historical or The Paddy family 1934 01:13:30,350 --> 01:13:28,440 um I don't think they would have built a 1935 01:13:31,729 --> 01:13:30,360 courtyard with a house set that's a 1936 01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:31,739 trapezoided shape the house is 1937 01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,960 rectangular and that house today we 1938 01:13:38,209 --> 01:13:35,280 think is sitting down at the bottom of 1939 01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,219 our Hill 1907 book there's a picture of 1940 01:13:41,570 --> 01:13:39,840 it with a Paddy family standing in front 1941 01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,580 of it in the 1890s 1942 01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:43,920 there was a fire in the house in 1855 1943 01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,040 after the paddies kind of left the house 1944 01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:48,840 uh it was damaged it was a thought that 1945 01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:50,760 the whole house was consumed by fire the 1946 01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:53,400 archaeologists in the 50s and 60s never 1947 01:13:57,770 --> 01:13:55,980 found enough remains to show that the 1948 01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,780 house was consumed there so the thought 1949 01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:59,880 is it was damaged they took this house 1950 01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:02,040 down the street down that same road my 1951 01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:04,500 dad walked up in 1955 and it comes out 1952 01:14:08,810 --> 01:14:06,060 right in front of the house today it's 1953 01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:08,820 still standing and it's sitting where a 1954 01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,980 cabin called the Dow Tavern was but that 1955 01:14:14,209 --> 01:14:12,780 was consumed by actually burnt that 1956 01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:14,219 burnt down that's in the history of 1957 01:14:18,350 --> 01:14:15,659 Salem this house is put on the old 1958 01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,360 Foundation but the house is rectangular 1959 01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:20,400 but it actually can sit on this 1960 01:14:23,090 --> 01:14:21,780 trapezoid because of the you know the 1961 01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:23,100 width of the walls are pretty thick 1962 01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:25,500 there but that courtyard is not 1963 01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:27,300 rectangular like we always thought 1964 01:14:31,729 --> 01:14:29,460 neither is the groove on the table so 1965 01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:31,739 that is pretty new my dad never knew 1966 01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:33,179 about that and that's uh just in the 1967 01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:34,739 last three years we found the trapezoid 1968 01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:36,420 trick I think we got to do again we 1969 01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:37,800 always have to do more work and do more 1970 01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:39,960 research to confirm this stuff that 1971 01:14:44,890 --> 01:14:43,140 trapezoid doesn't make any sense now 1972 01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:44,900 okay 1973 01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:47,060 sacrificial table 1974 01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:49,100 that 1975 01:14:57,370 --> 01:14:53,699 obviously it looks like 1976 01:15:01,370 --> 01:14:57,380 um it's like a Corners table man right 1977 01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:01,380 are those are those grooves for to drain 1978 01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:03,300 blood 1979 01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:07,080 yeah so that's possible you're right it 1980 01:15:10,030 --> 01:15:09,000 does come to mind 1981 01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:10,040 um 1982 01:15:14,689 --> 01:15:13,920 what else would it be used for right I 1983 01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,699 actually 1984 01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:17,040 um you're right Jimmy you know and the 1985 01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:20,699 word you know embalming table or perhaps 1986 01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,020 sacrificial 1987 01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:25,320 uh it could be a birthing table and my 1988 01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:27,060 friend that's a friend of Scots she did 1989 01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:29,340 some research on that Haley uh about the 1990 01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:31,140 amount of fluid that would come out you 1991 01:15:36,530 --> 01:15:34,260 know during the birth but it might be I 1992 01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:36,540 mean we don't really know I will say 1993 01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,300 there is a um 1994 01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,280 uh an experiment well actually there's 1995 01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:44,640 uh you can extract material from like an 1996 01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:48,480 arrowhead or a spear point or stone ax 1997 01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:50,340 if it has a micro Fisher you can extract 1998 01:15:54,649 --> 01:15:52,140 the material it's called protein 1999 01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:54,659 analysis and you can go back 10 000 2000 01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,280 years and if you get the material out 2001 01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:58,560 and get it dated and also you can also 2002 01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:00,659 do the DNA on it determine if it's human 2003 01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,940 or what type of animal so it's been 2004 01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:04,800 suggested that the table because it has 2005 01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:07,380 it is like Scott Walters he he has all 2006 01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:09,060 these he's a geologist he gets into all 2007 01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:10,500 the geology and he knows the table is 2008 01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:12,420 foliated it comes up with layers there's 2009 01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:14,460 a lot of cracks on it and that's causing 2010 01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:16,679 some damage to it but if there was blood 2011 01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:18,780 on the table or some other fluid it may 2012 01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,100 have seeped into these cracks and 2013 01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,600 because the question is which crack do 2014 01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:24,239 you look for or but I talked to uh 2015 01:16:28,370 --> 01:16:26,219 another archaeologist a friend of ours 2016 01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:28,380 that just retired and she was you know 2017 01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:29,880 open-minded enough to come up and visit 2018 01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:31,560 and I mentioned that she goes the 2019 01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,420 problem is your table has been exposed 2020 01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:35,760 to the elements to the Sun to the wind 2021 01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:39,360 for so long that may not work if it was 2022 01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:41,100 covered over with Earth and you just 2023 01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:42,900 uncovered it we might be able to get it 2024 01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:45,000 so I that's how she kind of left it you 2025 01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:47,219 know but maybe some new technology you 2026 01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:48,659 know we can get in there and maybe maybe 2027 01:16:51,050 --> 01:16:50,219 we'll find something you know in the 2028 01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:51,060 future 2029 01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:56,239 it doesn't look like it was a fun place 2030 01:17:01,070 --> 01:17:00,120 oh it is yeah no I mean the the this 2031 01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:01,080 table 2032 01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:02,719 there 2033 01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:07,560 that just you know and I don't know I've 2034 01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:09,960 been looking at the chat right a butcher 2035 01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:12,420 block table maybe you know animals and 2036 01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,300 okay makes sense you know in the The 2037 01:17:21,410 --> 01:17:17,280 Groove the groove is there for blood 2038 01:17:24,649 --> 01:17:21,420 it's draining it's draining blood and 2039 01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:24,659 liquids no there's no question about it 2040 01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:31,080 the the question is what was the carcass 2041 01:17:38,689 --> 01:17:34,739 was it human or was it animals was it 2042 01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:38,699 sacrificial was it part of the ceremony 2043 01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:41,040 um the shape of it the trapezoid shape I 2044 01:17:45,229 --> 01:17:43,620 think is significant I do agree with you 2045 01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:45,239 by the way I think that corner was 2046 01:17:50,810 --> 01:17:48,060 chipped off you're not going to make 2047 01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:50,820 something like this this big and and and 2048 01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:54,300 and and and perfect uh with the chipped 2049 01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,420 corner on it I I think that that was you 2050 01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:00,000 know broke off over the years 2051 01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:02,340 um but it it's huge and it was done with 2052 01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:05,580 a purpose does it Lean by the way or is 2053 01:18:11,090 --> 01:18:06,900 it level 2054 01:18:13,850 --> 01:18:11,100 well yeah uh even back in the 30s you 2055 01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,860 know uh put water you watch it rain you 2056 01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:16,080 know even when I was a kid the rain will 2057 01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:18,300 go out and it comes towards you and 2058 01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:19,739 there's a little runnel that might be a 2059 01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:21,480 little hard to see it's kind of above 2060 01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:23,400 the right front leg there's a little 2061 01:18:27,229 --> 01:18:25,560 runnel that actually comes off and if 2062 01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,239 you look down by the front right leg you 2063 01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:29,520 can see a little line of white paint and 2064 01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,900 you can't see the whole thing but it's 2065 01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:32,880 actually a cutout in the Bedrock kind of 2066 01:18:36,590 --> 01:18:35,100 triangular shape and it's where either a 2067 01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:36,600 vase could sit or they could actually 2068 01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:38,760 collect the fluid in that little cutout 2069 01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:41,820 in the Bedrock yeah you know I mean I 2070 01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:43,739 know you're very you know auditable and 2071 01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:45,239 travel and I've been to a lot of places 2072 01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:47,400 and this site to me I sometimes you 2073 01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:49,020 think okay could the patients have done 2074 01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,880 this you know a visit more fruit you 2075 01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:52,080 know down to earth kind of thing 2076 01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,360 something historical but the more you 2077 01:19:00,110 --> 01:18:57,360 see this the site and all the details 2078 01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:00,120 and all all the work that went into this 2079 01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:03,060 but the similarities to his sights that 2080 01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,560 are ceremonial whether it's in Mexico 2081 01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:06,840 what people did in ceremonial sites 2082 01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:09,179 overseas or even in the mound builders 2083 01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:11,340 this site to me looks ceremonial it's on 2084 01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:13,800 a hill and that Groove is very large if 2085 01:19:18,649 --> 01:19:15,900 it was a live Stone I could pick it up a 2086 01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:18,659 live stone for making soap uh maybe a 2087 01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:20,940 yard 40 inches wide an inch thick or so 2088 01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:23,520 and I've seen them at museums and it has 2089 01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:26,520 a very very shallow round a perfectly 2090 01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,100 round circle that the barrel sat on with 2091 01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:30,719 the ashes and they collect that mix it 2092 01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:32,340 with animal facts they make their you 2093 01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:34,380 know the soap so one critic from 2094 01:19:39,410 --> 01:19:36,360 Connecticut he's been on TV quite a few 2095 01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:39,420 times oh I think it's a side uh either a 2096 01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:41,400 cider press or it's a lifestyle why 2097 01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,900 Stones this thing weighs nine thousand 2098 01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:45,120 pounds if it's a cider pressure you 2099 01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,400 can't get you can't get an animal down 2100 01:19:51,649 --> 01:19:49,440 there there's a wall where I'm standing 2101 01:19:53,930 --> 01:19:51,659 uh there's a big standing Stone on the 2102 01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:53,940 left that you can't see in the frame and 2103 01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:55,800 on the right that is where the entrance 2104 01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,960 to the Oracle chamber but it's a very 2105 01:20:02,570 --> 01:20:00,239 narrow gap between that vertical Stone 2106 01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:02,580 on the right and the wall and that will 2107 01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:04,980 take how do you take and bring in your 2108 01:20:09,229 --> 01:20:07,500 uh apples to be crushed you can't get a 2109 01:20:11,450 --> 01:20:09,239 horse in there so my friend at Scott's 2110 01:20:13,130 --> 01:20:11,460 friend she was a rodeo into Rodeo kind 2111 01:20:14,990 --> 01:20:13,140 of a rodeo star and I've asked her can 2112 01:20:16,130 --> 01:20:15,000 you get a horse in there she goes no I 2113 01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:16,140 wouldn't bring my horse and it's too 2114 01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:17,940 tight I mean it's possible but I 2115 01:20:20,990 --> 01:20:19,320 wouldn't have a wagon behind it there's 2116 01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:21,000 no possible way so why would you create 2117 01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:24,120 this thing for a for the local uh cider 2118 01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,820 press you know a Cider Mill or the Ivory 2119 01:20:30,649 --> 01:20:28,800 soap Factory I have no idea you know but 2120 01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:30,659 that's what they say it's like that's 2121 01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:35,699 ridiculous you know so cider press no no 2122 01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:39,420 no that looks ceremonial uh it it does 2123 01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:42,719 there was something going on there and 2124 01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:45,900 uh if this was in Europe this would be 2125 01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:48,540 like straight Pagan you know they would 2126 01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:52,560 be going there with this this uh it that 2127 01:20:56,570 --> 01:20:54,600 is fascinating I mean there's no 2128 01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:56,580 question that there's 2129 01:21:02,410 --> 01:20:59,699 uh that's a that's a drain for blood 2130 01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:02,420 I just don't know what 2131 01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:08,040 whose blood right right exactly wow that 2132 01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,860 is just absolutely mind-blowing and 2133 01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,199 Jimmy right below that table is where 2134 01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:14,880 that speaking tube comes out and where 2135 01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:16,380 you're standing you can see a wall at 2136 01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,699 the bottom of the frame and that's where 2137 01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,679 I'm standing and you can't see this 2138 01:21:23,450 --> 01:21:21,659 speaking tube you know it's it's hidden 2139 01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:23,460 under the table and you have somebody 2140 01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:25,320 that can really broadcast their voice 2141 01:21:28,669 --> 01:21:26,640 you've had a few of them that work for 2142 01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:28,679 us it's called the big mouse but they 2143 01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,120 really could project their voice and 2144 01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:32,400 when I can do it too but you know it 2145 01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,380 comes out under the table and it it does 2146 01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,239 sound great Scott Walters referred to it 2147 01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:39,360 as acoustical archeology you know 2148 01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:42,360 um and I will say that recently uh four 2149 01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:43,739 years ago when you're looking at the 2150 01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:45,659 tube as it comes out underneath the 2151 01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:47,880 table there was some damage to it it's 2152 01:21:52,669 --> 01:21:50,880 actually flared like a trumpet like a 2153 01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,679 clarinet or some other you know 2154 01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:54,540 instrument where it's actually flared 2155 01:21:57,709 --> 01:21:55,980 out so that the sound actually is 2156 01:21:59,330 --> 01:21:57,719 Amplified I think and that's the way 2157 01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,340 they designed that and that's where that 2158 01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:01,199 stone plug was sitting originally you 2159 01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:03,540 know on both sides wait wait Dennis 2160 01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:06,780 Dennis you're saying the six foot 2161 01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:09,000 speaking tube that we saw the picture of 2162 01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:13,980 earlier yeah is originates in the room 2163 01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:18,600 behind this the the table Yeah opening 2164 01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,940 to the speaking tube is underneath the 2165 01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:23,760 head of the sacrificial table that's 2166 01:22:33,530 --> 01:22:27,120 correct dude it's a ceremony 2167 01:22:38,590 --> 01:22:36,350 there was a shaman priest in the back 2168 01:22:40,570 --> 01:22:38,600 going 2169 01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:40,580 right 2170 01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,440 that's that's what was going on 2171 01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:45,840 you know JD I went to malter uh with the 2172 01:22:50,030 --> 01:22:48,120 family back in 97 we stayed at the new 2173 01:22:52,729 --> 01:22:50,040 Dolmen Hotel and we got to see some of 2174 01:22:54,890 --> 01:22:52,739 the Magnificent sites there and some of 2175 01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,900 the big Stones had these holes and I 2176 01:22:58,669 --> 01:22:56,880 asked the guide uh one of two sites that 2177 01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:58,679 God said I talked to him about our site 2178 01:23:01,490 --> 01:22:59,880 a little bit and they were fascinated 2179 01:23:03,649 --> 01:23:01,500 but I said what are those holes for 2180 01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:03,659 maybe the hole was you know a half a 2181 01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,880 foot to a foot in diameter he goes those 2182 01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:07,980 are speaking those are actually for um 2183 01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:10,800 on Oracle to speak through right and I 2184 01:23:16,610 --> 01:23:13,620 said I think we contend at our site yeah 2185 01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:16,620 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I did I 2186 01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:19,820 don't think this is rocket science here 2187 01:23:25,729 --> 01:23:22,920 where where your mind is going I think 2188 01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:25,739 you're pretty close somebody just posted 2189 01:23:31,970 --> 01:23:28,020 check this out uh this is from Lavera 2190 01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:31,980 levera says she says well Human 2191 01:23:41,930 --> 01:23:35,760 Sacrifice is looking more probable yeah 2192 01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:41,940 and yeah wow wow okay now 2193 01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,580 um let's swing this around around to 2194 01:23:52,189 --> 01:23:47,280 something uh very very and well it's all 2195 01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:52,199 interesting but uh uh is the 2196 01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:54,659 astronomical alignment so I'm going to 2197 01:24:00,110 --> 01:23:56,760 pull this image up 2198 01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:00,120 um and it's numbered I'll show this to 2199 01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,840 everybody there's one right there's two 2200 01:24:06,189 --> 01:24:05,280 three 2201 01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:06,199 four 2202 01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:11,520 five six uh there's a nine uh we're 2203 01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,910 um I can't see the screen too well on my 2204 01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,480 tiny little cell phone but they should 2205 01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,120 be there offhand I can't think of it 2206 01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:23,520 there's eight eight is down in the 2207 01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:25,380 corner 2208 01:24:32,090 --> 01:24:29,880 um I I don't see seven here 2209 01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:32,100 seven yeah I don't have the key in front 2210 01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:33,540 of me we actually have a key that goes 2211 01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:35,640 with it I don't think it's in the frame 2212 01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,900 of the picture 2213 01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,880 uh so everything has an identification 2214 01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:41,040 with a little explanation on the key 2215 01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,320 which is again below the frame I think 2216 01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:46,080 on the left side it's out of sight 2217 01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:49,140 um yeah not this is the entire image 2218 01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:52,500 right here yeah yeah unfortunately the 2219 01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:54,600 uh yeah it's out of the frame because we 2220 01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,380 have a uh a small uh poster if you will 2221 01:25:02,270 --> 01:25:00,480 it's probably a foot by six inches and 2222 01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,280 has all the key on it you know of each 2223 01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:03,840 of those those are just different 2224 01:25:08,209 --> 01:25:06,360 features we think there are 57 2225 01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:08,219 alignments for the sun moon and stars 2226 01:25:14,990 --> 01:25:09,659 today 2227 01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:17,630 I think that's the main site and that's 2228 01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,460 where the chain link fence is and that's 2229 01:25:24,770 --> 01:25:22,560 where the concentration of structures 2230 01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:24,780 are located and that's where Mr Goodwin 2231 01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:27,239 and his crew did most of their you know 2232 01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:30,060 uh cleaning excavation but not all they 2233 01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:31,380 actually worked in another structure 2234 01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:33,060 we'll get to that in a little bit it's a 2235 01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,800 satellite chamber about 300 feet from 2236 01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:36,480 there and they worked on a couple other 2237 01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:38,580 things like the lower well and other but 2238 01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:40,440 that is where most of the structures are 2239 01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:41,940 that's what the table is the Oracle 2240 01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:44,460 chamber uh that's where the V Hut the 2241 01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,199 East-West chamber and other structures 2242 01:25:53,689 --> 01:25:48,560 are located there too 2243 01:25:54,890 --> 01:25:53,699 Let's uh number two which is the center 2244 01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,900 yeah 2245 01:25:59,629 --> 01:25:57,360 and that's where two Stone kinds were 2246 01:26:02,030 --> 01:25:59,639 located uh that are in Mr Goodwin's 2247 01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:02,040 first photographs and it Roscoe Whitney 2248 01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:04,920 actually diagrammed them and Goodwin in 2249 01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:06,360 his book talks about him thinking they 2250 01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:07,920 were connected to the Oracle chamber 2251 01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:09,300 they would never were he thought that 2252 01:26:12,890 --> 01:26:10,980 they were actually on the North End of 2253 01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,900 the Oracle chamber there's a wall but he 2254 01:26:16,669 --> 01:26:14,639 thought well maybe the wall you can 2255 01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:16,679 remove the stones like maybe an Indiana 2256 01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:19,139 Jones kind of thing or whatever move 2257 01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:19,980 them out of the way and you could 2258 01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,739 continue right into these two kinds but 2259 01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,480 they're actually they were separate 2260 01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:26,159 structures there's actually one of those 2261 01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,860 underground drains between them and he 2262 01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:30,239 didn't know what to make of them but 2263 01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:31,620 what he did do is use them for 2264 01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:34,199 restoration of the ramp pot of the ramp 2265 01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,020 on the North side which is overlooking 2266 01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,360 the sacrificial table pot of the ramps 2267 01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:40,800 original and then on the North side he 2268 01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,540 actually because we have pictures of the 2269 01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:44,400 uh tripod with a hand winch and he's 2270 01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:46,620 lifting up the Rocks uh he should have 2271 01:26:49,850 --> 01:26:48,060 never really destroyed those today 2272 01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:49,860 archaeologists would just leave it alone 2273 01:26:55,729 --> 01:26:53,699 but we're talking 1937 1938 so 40 years 2274 01:26:57,950 --> 01:26:55,739 later we started surveying alignments 2275 01:26:59,570 --> 01:26:57,960 using a professional survey team Beverly 2276 01:27:01,729 --> 01:26:59,580 Pearson Associates out of Dairy New 2277 01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:01,739 Hampshire and that was 50 years ago this 2278 01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:03,659 year and they began surveying the 2279 01:27:07,070 --> 01:27:04,920 alignments and some of the walls and 2280 01:27:08,750 --> 01:27:07,080 that's only about 15 Acres of the 110 2281 01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,760 acres of walls you're looking at so it's 2282 01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:10,560 a much bigger complex than you're 2283 01:27:16,189 --> 01:27:13,260 looking at but they completed that by 2284 01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:16,199 1977 and what we found out is the center 2285 01:27:19,729 --> 01:27:18,300 comes to those two kinds actually all 2286 01:27:21,169 --> 01:27:19,739 the alignments have come to two points 2287 01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:21,179 and it was where the cons were located 2288 01:27:24,830 --> 01:27:22,980 so a good one basically destroyed the 2289 01:27:26,689 --> 01:27:24,840 astronomical Center if you will there's 2290 01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:26,699 a wooden platform set up there today we 2291 01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:29,760 built that around 1975. 2292 01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:32,100 um and again we have about 57 alignments 2293 01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:34,739 and we sent that data to the Harvard 2294 01:27:41,209 --> 01:27:36,780 Smithsonian Center for astrophysics in 2295 01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:41,219 1978 and in 77 and in 78 we got the 2296 01:27:45,229 --> 01:27:43,320 results back and we have the person that 2297 01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,239 did the work on it the analysis I think 2298 01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:46,560 it was somebody named Rosenberg where 2299 01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,179 you had the whole report Rosenberg I 2300 01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:49,440 think it was 2301 01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:51,000 um they said that if this was used for 2302 01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:53,400 astronomical purposes the site the 2303 01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:55,980 alignment should work about 8 800 BC 2304 01:28:00,590 --> 01:27:57,960 plus or minus a couple hundred years due 2305 01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:00,600 to the Earth's Tilt is a very slow tilt 2306 01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:02,940 the obligated cycle like a 41 000 year 2307 01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:06,960 cycle so that agreed with a 1971 carbon 2308 01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,960 dating of the 12 and 71 we get the 4 000 2309 01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:12,239 year old date on the main site we also 2310 01:28:17,149 --> 01:28:14,760 got two 3 000 year old carbon datings 2311 01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,159 too on the main site so they kind of 2312 01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:19,679 agreed with the 1971 date here we are 2313 01:28:26,209 --> 01:28:22,260 seven years later with the astronomical 2314 01:28:29,810 --> 01:28:26,219 date showing that probably around 4 000 2315 01:28:31,729 --> 01:28:29,820 years ago the site was set up 2316 01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:31,739 um and that that was the astronomical 2317 01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:33,480 Center 2318 01:28:39,530 --> 01:28:36,719 um and so that was really big 2319 01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,540 information back then and still today so 2320 01:28:44,090 --> 01:28:41,520 you're looking at walls you're looking 2321 01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:44,100 at astronomical alignments and the white 2322 01:28:47,090 --> 01:28:45,360 I don't know if you can see the little 2323 01:28:48,830 --> 01:28:47,100 white painted things those are some of 2324 01:28:51,709 --> 01:28:48,840 the slabs there are 34 of them today 2325 01:28:53,090 --> 01:28:51,719 that are big swabs of stone that have 2326 01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:53,100 been removed from the Bedrock they've 2327 01:28:57,229 --> 01:28:55,080 been propped up and they've been worked 2328 01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:57,239 on uh with a stone Hammer actually 2329 01:29:02,209 --> 01:28:58,800 shaping them and the first one was found 2330 01:29:04,010 --> 01:29:02,219 in 1982 and Dr Gary Hume our state 2331 01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:04,020 archaeologist he was mainstream he 2332 01:29:08,510 --> 01:29:06,420 actually was doing three projects at our 2333 01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:08,520 site starting around 1980 and David 2334 01:29:12,830 --> 01:29:10,260 Stuart Smith you know got friendly with 2335 01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,840 him uh said I'd like you to work on the 2336 01:29:16,669 --> 01:29:14,880 way these big Stones were shaped and Dr 2337 01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,679 Gary Hume was a lithic specialist he 2338 01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:18,719 knew how Stones were a nap to make 2339 01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:21,540 arrowheads Stone axes Stone hoes use a 2340 01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:25,199 specialist in that area and one of our 2341 01:29:29,450 --> 01:29:26,940 staff members happened to be having a 2342 01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:29,460 picnic lunch her name was Mary and she 2343 01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,900 was sitting out in the woods on a stone 2344 01:29:35,090 --> 01:29:33,120 and David had instructed our staff to 2345 01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:35,100 look for stones that may be raised big 2346 01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:37,260 slabs maybe the edge of it serrated like 2347 01:29:41,149 --> 01:29:39,420 dimpled and showing up during her little 2348 01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:41,159 lunch break she actually knows the stone 2349 01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,840 was up in the air it seemed to be 2350 01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:44,159 propped up with another Stone it was 2351 01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:46,020 about eight feet long maybe four feet 2352 01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:49,020 wide and uh she looked under it so it 2353 01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:50,400 looked like a propping stone and she 2354 01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:52,500 also knows dipping dippling on the one 2355 01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:55,500 of the edges and so the next year Dr 2356 01:29:59,930 --> 01:29:58,080 David Stuart Smith Dr Gary Hume they did 2357 01:30:01,250 --> 01:29:59,940 an excavation with Dr Gary Hume 2358 01:30:02,570 --> 01:30:01,260 overseeing it they found all the little 2359 01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:02,580 flakes of stone along the edge of it 2360 01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:04,020 where somebody had been shaping that 2361 01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:06,000 stone using a Hammerstone and a throwing 2362 01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:06,719 Stone 2363 01:30:12,290 --> 01:30:09,960 since then we've identified 34 some are 2364 01:30:13,850 --> 01:30:12,300 like you know 10 feet long you know but 2365 01:30:16,669 --> 01:30:13,860 that's one of the biggest ones by by 2366 01:30:18,410 --> 01:30:16,679 feet they look like roof slabs they've 2367 01:30:19,850 --> 01:30:18,420 never been transported to the main site 2368 01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:19,860 and some of them are a thousand feet 2369 01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:22,199 down the hill and there are 34 of them 2370 01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:25,440 on the 106 Acres we started thinking 2371 01:30:28,910 --> 01:30:27,000 recently that we think that these 2372 01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:28,920 Builders we should have thought of it 2373 01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:31,679 before but they had a much greater plan 2374 01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,560 for this site and they left 34 big slabs 2375 01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,199 uh lying all over the hill and they 2376 01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:39,120 walked away from it and then you wonder 2377 01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:42,239 what happened to these people so maybe a 2378 01:30:50,270 --> 01:30:45,199 grander plan for this place 2379 01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,280 the uh okay uh real quick because I've I 2380 01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:52,080 want to go back and ask some questions 2381 01:30:57,950 --> 01:30:56,520 about the images so the the white lines 2382 01:31:01,370 --> 01:30:57,960 here 2383 01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:01,380 um in the diorama this is uh these are 2384 01:31:07,550 --> 01:31:04,400 the stone walls right 2385 01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:07,560 so we have two entrances we have an 2386 01:31:12,649 --> 01:31:09,480 entrance from the north and we have an 2387 01:31:16,370 --> 01:31:12,659 entrance from the south yes are the are 2388 01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,380 these stone walls uh original 2389 01:31:19,129 --> 01:31:18,239 um or were they built by The Paddy 2390 01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:19,139 family 2391 01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:21,000 no I don't think the patties built them 2392 01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:22,800 uh they may have made breaks in the 2393 01:31:27,290 --> 01:31:25,800 walls in some cases and the hilltop is 2394 01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:27,300 really not airable 2395 01:31:31,010 --> 01:31:29,040 um the paddies might we know from his 2396 01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:31,020 tax records They had some domesticated 2397 01:31:36,050 --> 01:31:33,780 animals but that's a great question we 2398 01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:36,060 think they're pretty much original uh 2399 01:31:40,189 --> 01:31:38,460 not only that by down by number on the 2400 01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:40,199 bottom right hand corner I can't quite 2401 01:31:44,030 --> 01:31:42,780 see if it's five or four that's the 2402 01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:44,040 watch House 2403 01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:47,940 okay got it and we have OSL optically 2404 01:31:51,950 --> 01:31:50,940 stimulated uh dating of the wall that 2405 01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:51,960 what are the walls you're looking at 2406 01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:53,100 actually goes in front of the watch 2407 01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,159 house and they did the dating in 20 20 2408 01:32:00,410 --> 01:31:58,560 we just got the results last fall the 2409 01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:00,420 dirt had accumulated next to that wall 2410 01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,920 in the dirt dated to 1400 A.D the wall 2411 01:32:08,930 --> 01:32:06,960 was there before that the whole 2412 01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:08,940 everything up there is built on bedrock 2413 01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:10,380 and the dirt comes from window and 2414 01:32:14,330 --> 01:32:12,360 particles and vegetation Decay it builds 2415 01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,340 up very slowly in New England it might 2416 01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:17,520 be 100 to 125 years for an inch of soil 2417 01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:19,500 but some areas on the hilltop you see a 2418 01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,780 lot of the gray on my diorama some of 2419 01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,520 those areas are bare when Goodwin came 2420 01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:25,440 along you know it just the way the lay 2421 01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:27,900 of the land is it just keeps washing in 2422 01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:29,100 other areas you might have two or three 2423 01:32:34,370 --> 01:32:31,920 feet of dirt you know accumulated but um 2424 01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:34,380 that wall was sitting there in 1400 it 2425 01:32:37,310 --> 01:32:35,940 was before Columbus came over and it may 2426 01:32:39,770 --> 01:32:37,320 have been sitting there for centuries 2427 01:32:41,689 --> 01:32:39,780 upon centuries we think possibly 4 000 2428 01:32:44,090 --> 01:32:41,699 years and that's down by that lower 2429 01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,100 right hand corner the Oracle chamber 2430 01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:47,040 roof we took cores from that and the 2431 01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:52,320 core uh we came back around 1550 A.D and 2432 01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:54,360 Dr feathers in the University of 2433 01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:56,340 Washington was conducting this and he 2434 01:33:00,110 --> 01:32:57,900 said well the chamber was there and then 2435 01:33:01,430 --> 01:33:00,120 the dirt came at some point later on 2436 01:33:03,050 --> 01:33:01,440 because you don't build the structure of 2437 01:33:05,649 --> 01:33:03,060 the dirt the dirt comes on top of the 2438 01:33:08,990 --> 01:33:05,659 roof later you know so we have 2439 01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,000 pre-colonial pre-patty and uh actually 2440 01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,280 pre-columbian dates on a couple of those 2441 01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:13,199 and that's OSL dating that's something 2442 01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,020 new we're doing and uh they did 22 sites 2443 01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:18,000 to Virginia that are somewhat similar to 2444 01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:19,500 our site with features you know 2445 01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:21,480 structures and those are coming back 2446 01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,940 pre-colonial too so this is science it's 2447 01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:25,440 not like somebody's opinion saying oh I 2448 01:33:28,610 --> 01:33:27,120 think it's old I think it's new I think 2449 01:33:30,530 --> 01:33:28,620 it's maybe not you know anything 2450 01:33:33,250 --> 01:33:30,540 worthwhile looking at you know we've 2451 01:33:38,510 --> 01:33:33,260 heard that before you know 2452 01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:40,790 the anthropologists and the 2453 01:33:47,390 --> 01:33:43,440 archaeologists and the geologists you 2454 01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:47,400 know that have to stick with the the 2455 01:33:52,729 --> 01:33:49,620 Dogma about the history of the United 2456 01:33:57,530 --> 01:33:52,739 States right and as soon as you start to 2457 01:34:01,970 --> 01:33:57,540 get outside of the accepted Norms 400 2458 01:34:05,149 --> 01:34:01,980 years 500 years 800 years 900 years you 2459 01:34:08,830 --> 01:34:05,159 start to talk you know 4 000 years 5 000 2460 01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:08,840 years old they immediately shut down 2461 01:34:12,669 --> 01:34:11,400 it's a very difficult thing to overcome 2462 01:34:15,229 --> 01:34:12,679 isn't it 2463 01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,239 you can have all the evidence that you 2464 01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:18,719 want but they will not step outside of 2465 01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:20,520 the box 2466 01:34:25,729 --> 01:34:23,820 I heard uh Mac I think it was Max plant 2467 01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:25,739 Plank I think I sent the name is from 2468 01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,900 Germany he said that science advances 2469 01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:29,520 one funeral at a time I think in 2470 01:34:34,209 --> 01:34:32,000 archeology is probably true too 2471 01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:34,219 you know 2472 01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:37,440 it's a difficult thing trying to 2473 01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:39,420 convince even with evidence and I've 2474 01:34:43,070 --> 01:34:41,400 also heard like ah my mind's made up I 2475 01:34:45,229 --> 01:34:43,080 don't want to see any facts we've heard 2476 01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:45,239 that too you know it's like just you 2477 01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:47,100 know be objective being scientific about 2478 01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:49,679 it uh your opinions your are your 2479 01:34:53,390 --> 01:34:51,179 opinions if they're based on data that's 2480 01:34:55,970 --> 01:34:53,400 good but if they're just opinions uh 2481 01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,980 built on some ideology or some agenda 2482 01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:58,320 it's like that's not scientific and to 2483 01:35:01,610 --> 01:35:00,000 say nope we don't have any ancient sites 2484 01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:01,620 in the Northeast well that's pretty 2485 01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:04,080 biased you know I mean that's you know 2486 01:35:09,050 --> 01:35:06,060 and you'll never you never convince a 2487 01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:09,060 person like that you know the site down 2488 01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:12,320 in Peru it's called Pumapunku and at 2489 01:35:15,950 --> 01:35:14,520 Pumapunku I'm gonna be there in a couple 2490 01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:15,960 of months and I can't wait I want to go 2491 01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:17,340 yeah 2492 01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:20,520 and so the sun Temple down there the 2493 01:35:25,729 --> 01:35:23,940 orientation for it to point at something 2494 01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:25,739 significant 2495 01:35:33,649 --> 01:35:27,380 um astronomically 2496 01:35:37,970 --> 01:35:33,659 dates that uh that site to 15 000 years 2497 01:35:39,890 --> 01:35:37,980 old right okay all right so you go back 2498 01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:39,900 with the star charts and you use the 2499 01:35:45,709 --> 01:35:42,420 computer and you back things up and you 2500 01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:45,719 line this up correctly the site is 15 2501 01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:48,719 000 years old I was talking to one of 2502 01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:52,320 the leading rock star physicists out 2503 01:35:57,770 --> 01:35:54,840 there I don't want to say his name 2504 01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:57,780 um I've told the story before but anyway 2505 01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:00,659 and I'm telling him about Pumapunku 2506 01:36:07,689 --> 01:36:03,300 Dennis right and he goes how old is it I 2507 01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:14,570 right it was crazy how and I thought 2508 01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:18,120 um uh at least from an academic that 2509 01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:21,239 they would go okay that how how would it 2510 01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:24,960 be dated then that's interesting is no 2511 01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:27,440 that wasn't I didn't get anything 2512 01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:31,800 inquisitive I got shut down yeah I got 2513 01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:35,159 body slammed I got thrown on my back and 2514 01:36:41,450 --> 01:36:39,060 just you know it was it was it was very 2515 01:36:44,450 --> 01:36:41,460 strange to me 2516 01:36:48,590 --> 01:36:44,460 um that somebody especially an academic 2517 01:36:50,570 --> 01:36:48,600 could not have an open mind to the 2518 01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:50,580 possibility of something at least a 2519 01:36:55,370 --> 01:36:54,000 discussion no no they they absolutely 2520 01:36:58,669 --> 01:36:55,380 just don't want to hear it they don't 2521 01:37:00,169 --> 01:36:58,679 exactly yeah exactly 2522 01:37:01,610 --> 01:37:00,179 um yeah we've encountered that because 2523 01:37:04,910 --> 01:37:01,620 we wouldn't encountered that back in the 2524 01:37:07,610 --> 01:37:04,920 1930s uh uh the naval historian Samuel 2525 01:37:09,470 --> 01:37:07,620 Elliott Morrison uh wrote animal of the 2526 01:37:10,970 --> 01:37:09,480 ocean sea and European Discovery America 2527 01:37:13,129 --> 01:37:10,980 and he was actually running in a battle 2528 01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:13,139 with Goodwin about the site he believed 2529 01:37:18,169 --> 01:37:15,480 in basically no explorers before 2530 01:37:20,450 --> 01:37:18,179 Columbus because he thought Columbus 2531 01:37:21,890 --> 01:37:20,460 you know as a later person Goodwin did 2532 01:37:23,390 --> 01:37:21,900 and he thought maybe the site was built 2533 01:37:25,129 --> 01:37:23,400 by the Vikings as they started cleaning 2534 01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:25,139 this is not a viking site it's built out 2535 01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,940 of stone Viking Jew side houses he 2536 01:37:31,610 --> 01:37:29,040 thought it was Irish call him but Samuel 2537 01:37:33,169 --> 01:37:31,620 Morrison coined the term nepco no 2538 01:37:34,729 --> 01:37:33,179 explorers before Columbus you know 2539 01:37:36,350 --> 01:37:34,739 that's it you know we're not going to 2540 01:37:37,729 --> 01:37:36,360 say more about it because then they 2541 01:37:39,470 --> 01:37:37,739 found the Vikings were in Canada a 2542 01:37:42,649 --> 01:37:39,480 thousand years you know 500 before 2543 01:37:45,770 --> 01:37:42,659 Columbus so that was a problem for you 2544 01:37:46,689 --> 01:37:45,780 know Mr Morrison you know uh he was 2545 01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:46,699 wrong 2546 01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:49,800 and finally you know I think it's pretty 2547 01:37:56,270 --> 01:37:52,980 I think I think Columbus has been kind 2548 01:37:58,610 --> 01:37:56,280 of erased now yeah yeah and that's we're 2549 01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:58,620 right I wanted to ask you I'm going to 2550 01:38:02,330 --> 01:38:01,020 pull this image up just a quick question 2551 01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:02,340 about 2552 01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:07,620 uh this these edges and specifically uh 2553 01:38:12,590 --> 01:38:10,440 the smooth edge at the foot of I'm 2554 01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,600 calling it the foot of the sacrificial 2555 01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:13,920 table 2556 01:38:19,790 --> 01:38:16,320 um how was that cut are there any marks 2557 01:38:21,530 --> 01:38:19,800 or grooves was it chiseled was there are 2558 01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,540 there any tooling marks and what does 2559 01:38:25,129 --> 01:38:23,280 Scott Walter have to say 2560 01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:25,139 yeah you know that's something Scott's 2561 01:38:28,129 --> 01:38:26,400 going to have to come back and look at 2562 01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:28,139 that a little closer 2563 01:38:31,729 --> 01:38:29,460 um that's a great point because the 2564 01:38:33,649 --> 01:38:31,739 other parts of the table we show where 2565 01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:33,659 it's been shaped somewhat you know or 2566 01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:35,520 addressed but that's a nice smooth front 2567 01:38:41,330 --> 01:38:39,060 edge that's that stone came from the 2568 01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,340 left side of the frame about 40 feet and 2569 01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:43,920 it was found below where the two cons 2570 01:38:49,129 --> 01:38:46,260 were located and when Goodwin's 2571 01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:49,139 destroyed them 80 almost 85 years ago he 2572 01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:51,900 did find the Quarry site in the Bedrock 2573 01:38:56,090 --> 01:38:54,600 and it was shaped like the table and he 2574 01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:56,100 said I think this is where the table 2575 01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,199 came from and they transported about 40 2576 01:39:01,790 --> 01:39:00,000 feet but yeah that's a good point you 2577 01:39:03,169 --> 01:39:01,800 know and I Scott's been there I would 2578 01:39:05,090 --> 01:39:03,179 say Scott's been there you know at least 2579 01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:05,100 a dozen times the next time he comes up 2580 01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,880 I'll have to pin him down there is a 2581 01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,800 joint or earthquake fault line some 2582 01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:12,480 people refer to it as it goes east to 2583 01:39:16,010 --> 01:39:13,620 the West it was in front of the 2584 01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:16,020 East-West chamber it goes across to the 2585 01:39:19,729 --> 01:39:18,600 glacial Thrift shelter it goes east it 2586 01:39:21,649 --> 01:39:19,739 is supposed to be part of the Clinton 2587 01:39:23,810 --> 01:39:21,659 Newbury fault line a lot of these 2588 01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:23,820 ancient sites are based on on yeah I 2589 01:39:28,910 --> 01:39:26,040 think even Machu Picchu are based on our 2590 01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:28,920 faults I've been told that some of the 2591 01:39:33,950 --> 01:39:31,080 stone circles in Wales and I've been to 2592 01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,960 Wales there's about 700 of them and they 2593 01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:35,760 go into England of course and they're 2594 01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,219 all on or within a mile and a half of a 2595 01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:40,400 fault line but that fault line is a nice 2596 01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:43,500 sheer cut in the in the rock you can 2597 01:39:46,729 --> 01:39:44,639 actually see where the Bedrock actually 2598 01:39:49,010 --> 01:39:46,739 split and actually moved opposite and up 2599 01:39:50,990 --> 01:39:49,020 a little bit but that kind of front of 2600 01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:51,000 the sacrificial table kind of looks like 2601 01:39:55,129 --> 01:39:53,040 that but it's not where the fault line 2602 01:39:57,470 --> 01:39:55,139 is so that's kind of uh strange it's so 2603 01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:57,480 but there is a stone on the right side 2604 01:40:01,010 --> 01:39:59,040 standing and you can see the edge of 2605 01:40:03,110 --> 01:40:01,020 that vertical monolith on the right side 2606 01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:03,120 right and that's pretty straight too so 2607 01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,100 that does happen you know about this one 2608 01:40:07,970 --> 01:40:06,480 right yeah you can see the left yeah 2609 01:40:10,370 --> 01:40:07,980 it's pretty straight you know so that's 2610 01:40:11,570 --> 01:40:10,380 going to be looked at I think by Scott 2611 01:40:12,590 --> 01:40:11,580 would be great to come back we got to 2612 01:40:15,250 --> 01:40:12,600 get them back and have them look at that 2613 01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:15,260 yeah yeah I mean 2614 01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:18,480 and what about the grooves in the table 2615 01:40:24,169 --> 01:40:21,840 uh the blood the blood drain 2616 01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:24,179 um are there any tool Marks here how how 2617 01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:27,000 how was this fashioned 2618 01:40:32,209 --> 01:40:29,639 yeah well there's a method called 2619 01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:32,219 pecking I guess and we think that method 2620 01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:33,659 and I I don't know if I can describe it 2621 01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:35,880 it's in a book written by some neural 2622 01:40:38,270 --> 01:40:36,960 members and it was really interesting 2623 01:40:40,370 --> 01:40:38,280 and they were looking at not only the 2624 01:40:41,629 --> 01:40:40,380 groove on the table but the bottom of 2625 01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:41,639 that groove on the table it's maybe 2626 01:40:45,169 --> 01:40:43,860 three or four inches wide at the very 2627 01:40:46,910 --> 01:40:45,179 bottom it's almost where you can set 2628 01:40:49,010 --> 01:40:46,920 your little your little finger in it 2629 01:40:50,450 --> 01:40:49,020 it's like a little smooth Channel at the 2630 01:40:51,890 --> 01:40:50,460 very bottom you have to look at it very 2631 01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:51,900 carefully it may not even show up in 2632 01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:54,960 this image yeah yeah that one right 2633 01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,340 there yeah that's one of them and then 2634 01:41:01,370 --> 01:40:58,320 even in the in the upper part of that 2635 01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:01,380 the groove it looks like the same thing 2636 01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:02,840 that we have 2637 01:41:09,050 --> 01:41:05,940 about six different shapes in the 2638 01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:09,060 Bedrock that have the little runnel and 2639 01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:10,800 Barry fell referred to him as libation 2640 01:41:14,689 --> 01:41:13,020 bowls and in Malta I saw similar and I 2641 01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:14,699 get asked a guide there I said what were 2642 01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:16,080 these used for he said they would pour 2643 01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:18,840 perhaps blood or an offering it would go 2644 01:41:22,910 --> 01:41:20,580 into the soil it was for fertilization 2645 01:41:25,790 --> 01:41:22,920 for fertility as an offering I said we 2646 01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:25,800 got one shape like a chicken kinda one 2647 01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:28,260 like a wine bottle we have one ship like 2648 01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:31,320 an apple and one ship like a kidney and 2649 01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:33,060 they all have the little runnels in the 2650 01:41:36,109 --> 01:41:34,380 bottom of the Run also look like the 2651 01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:36,119 bottom of that groove on the table so 2652 01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,340 they were doing something similar but it 2653 01:41:41,629 --> 01:41:40,320 was called the pecking method and I I'm 2654 01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,639 not sure if they were heating the rock 2655 01:41:46,129 --> 01:41:43,440 up and then pecking it with a stone you 2656 01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,139 know heat it super maybe cool it down 2657 01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:48,719 with water some people say vinegar and 2658 01:41:52,729 --> 01:41:51,360 it was uh thermal shock to Stone in that 2659 01:41:54,830 --> 01:41:52,739 area and then you could get little 2660 01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,840 pieces off it easier I don't know if 2661 01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:56,159 that's how they did that though you know 2662 01:42:03,050 --> 01:42:00,780 so yeah the Sandstone okay all right 2663 01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:03,060 yeah this is granite 2664 01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:06,480 yeah and so you're gonna have to Peck it 2665 01:42:11,950 --> 01:42:09,719 with the stone harder than granite yeah 2666 01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:11,960 okay all right 2667 01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:14,580 it's got to tell you there's there's not 2668 01:42:19,729 --> 01:42:17,400 too many things out there 2669 01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,739 um and when you're when you're pushing 2670 01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:22,560 dating back this far 2671 01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,040 um you know Bronze Age and and so forth 2672 01:42:31,550 --> 01:42:29,280 I I I don't know if there's been any 2673 01:42:34,910 --> 01:42:31,560 metal tools that were found on the site 2674 01:42:39,709 --> 01:42:34,920 that were ancient but uh or what other 2675 01:42:42,109 --> 01:42:39,719 uh stone tools were used uh for this uh 2676 01:42:44,689 --> 01:42:42,119 you have to dress these Stones you have 2677 01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:44,699 to shape these Stones 2678 01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:47,760 um I'm just very curious that is just 2679 01:42:53,470 --> 01:42:50,100 fascinating to me that okay I'm looking 2680 01:42:55,850 --> 01:42:53,480 at the clock before we run out of time 2681 01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:55,860 one thing we have found Hammer Stones 2682 01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:58,380 rubbing stones stone and stone scrapers 2683 01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:00,119 on the site including in some of the 2684 01:43:04,189 --> 01:43:02,340 carbon dating areas the Stone Age tools 2685 01:43:05,870 --> 01:43:04,199 Goodwin found them we found them in the 2686 01:43:07,609 --> 01:43:05,880 60s and 70s and I just found another 2687 01:43:10,250 --> 01:43:07,619 Hammerstone next to one of these big 2688 01:43:12,830 --> 01:43:10,260 shaped Stones it's in uh we have labeled 2689 01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:12,840 it we have it set aside so stone tools 2690 01:43:18,910 --> 01:43:14,760 yes we have found them on the site 2691 01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:18,920 but not Bronze Age no he's a stone 2692 01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,239 so we're taking you know again we're 2693 01:43:26,090 --> 01:43:23,760 pushing the dating back uh you know just 2694 01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:26,100 a long long ways okay what's this is 2695 01:43:31,729 --> 01:43:28,800 this is Beautiful by the way yeah uh 2696 01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:31,739 what day of the year is is this taking 2697 01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:33,480 that is the equinox spring and fall that 2698 01:43:37,550 --> 01:43:34,920 happens to be the Spring Equinox and 2699 01:43:39,490 --> 01:43:37,560 that was this year three months ago uh 2700 01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:39,500 Scott's friend Haley actually came up in 2701 01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,179 2019 she had her son Seeker on her phone 2702 01:43:45,709 --> 01:43:43,920 we were talking about that stone in the 2703 01:43:48,050 --> 01:43:45,719 back wall it's been talked about by Hans 2704 01:43:50,209 --> 01:43:48,060 Holzer in 1992 when his book came out 2705 01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:50,219 Barbara had clouded the Ford and talked 2706 01:43:53,810 --> 01:43:52,380 about its quartzite and it's not a 2707 01:43:55,629 --> 01:43:53,820 special because the rest of it's granted 2708 01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:55,639 very very kind of a light colored Stone 2709 01:44:00,050 --> 01:43:58,320 uh and other people have commented about 2710 01:44:01,970 --> 01:44:00,060 that too they said what is that there is 2711 01:44:03,950 --> 01:44:01,980 that something special well the forest 2712 01:44:05,870 --> 01:44:03,960 was always in the way well after Haley 2713 01:44:07,790 --> 01:44:05,880 came up and did some secrets she said I 2714 01:44:09,050 --> 01:44:07,800 he goes it's going to probably Equinox 2715 01:44:10,490 --> 01:44:09,060 and it's gonna be around nine in the 2716 01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:10,500 morning that stone should get eliminated 2717 01:44:14,689 --> 01:44:12,719 the next year after we did a started a 2718 01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,699 forestry project it was a two winter 2719 01:44:18,290 --> 01:44:16,560 project with a licensed Forester I said 2720 01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,300 you got a clear up that Avenue to our 2721 01:44:22,010 --> 01:44:20,159 neighbor's yard so we could see the sun 2722 01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:22,020 go into that chamber for the first time 2723 01:44:27,470 --> 01:44:24,239 and it wasn't that picture it was a 2724 01:44:28,970 --> 01:44:27,480 different one the uh what we saw was you 2725 01:44:30,490 --> 01:44:28,980 see how the Shadow and light kind of 2726 01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:30,500 framed the bottom 2727 01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:33,600 uh what it was is the light in Shadow 2728 01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,820 frame the top of the stone just opposite 2729 01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,159 that at eight o'clock in the morning an 2730 01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:39,600 hour from what we're in the eastern part 2731 01:44:43,070 --> 01:44:40,860 of the time zone I said Haley don't 2732 01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:43,080 worry about the Howard it works and it's 2733 01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:44,340 we're in the eastern part of the Eastern 2734 01:44:47,629 --> 01:44:45,900 Time Zone you know Louisville Kentucky 2735 01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:47,639 where you used to go is further hours 2736 01:44:52,850 --> 01:44:50,880 but anyway it does at eight o'clock it 2737 01:44:54,649 --> 01:44:52,860 frames to talk I stood there with a 2738 01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:54,659 woman this year after we most of the 2739 01:44:58,430 --> 01:44:56,520 people had left after seeing the sunrise 2740 01:44:59,870 --> 01:44:58,440 over a fallen eight foot monolith it's a 2741 01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,880 different alignment but it's the Equinox 2742 01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,159 too and then there's one by the Oracle 2743 01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,560 chamber and it actually so we have three 2744 01:45:08,810 --> 01:45:06,719 alignments that morning one around six 2745 01:45:11,870 --> 01:45:08,820 something one about seven something 2746 01:45:13,850 --> 01:45:11,880 about seven and then down here I got 2747 01:45:16,189 --> 01:45:13,860 down here at eight o'clock the last two 2748 01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,199 years and now I saw the top of that 2749 01:45:19,729 --> 01:45:18,239 stone frame but I went down there at 7 2750 01:45:20,990 --> 01:45:19,739 30. I'm yapping with a woman we're 2751 01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:21,000 waiting for the eight o'clock event I 2752 01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:22,500 turned around and looked behind me and I 2753 01:45:26,510 --> 01:45:23,760 looked into the chamber and that's what 2754 01:45:28,129 --> 01:45:26,520 I saw the bottom was framed at 7 30 30 2755 01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:28,139 minutes later the top of the stone is 2756 01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:30,900 framed perfectly and then at 8 30 looks 2757 01:45:35,689 --> 01:45:33,300 like a hand it morphs into a hand shape 2758 01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:35,699 with an index finger we think that's 2759 01:45:41,330 --> 01:45:38,400 possibly a fertilization symbol that 2760 01:45:43,250 --> 01:45:41,340 that chamber is a womb and that is an 2761 01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:43,260 egg and the Sun the Rays the 2762 01:45:46,609 --> 01:45:45,060 fertilization kind of like new Grange in 2763 01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:46,619 Ireland which I've been to and also the 2764 01:45:51,169 --> 01:45:48,719 Newport tower that Scott's really big on 2765 01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:51,179 you know with a egg shape be illuminated 2766 01:45:57,169 --> 01:45:54,719 on the winter solstice and the mayday 2767 01:45:59,689 --> 01:45:57,179 and that I think is amazing that is the 2768 01:46:02,270 --> 01:45:59,699 beginning we think of a 2550 foot 2769 01:46:04,970 --> 01:46:02,280 serpent wall it goes all the way around 2770 01:46:07,010 --> 01:46:04,980 the 58 Acres comes back it undulates up 2771 01:46:09,890 --> 01:46:07,020 and down and it looks like it's biting 2772 01:46:12,290 --> 01:46:09,900 its tail and we found that since 2016. 2773 01:46:14,570 --> 01:46:12,300 we think it's uh Bora bora's possibly 2774 01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,580 the serpent biting its tail 2775 01:46:17,390 --> 01:46:16,320 man and you can't quite see the whole 2776 01:46:20,209 --> 01:46:17,400 thing because you're just looking at the 2777 01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:20,219 edge of the boulder there this shot is 2778 01:46:27,890 --> 01:46:23,520 incredible I mean it's just it's it's 2779 01:46:30,350 --> 01:46:27,900 just Illuminating the the entrance 2780 01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,360 and man I can't believe you got to play 2781 01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,119 here as a kid and just hang out and that 2782 01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,040 was just I'd like to be younger again do 2783 01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:37,040 it all over again 2784 01:46:41,689 --> 01:46:39,900 right right and he probably would have 2785 01:46:44,330 --> 01:46:41,699 done it a little bit differently too as 2786 01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,340 well now the 2787 01:46:49,250 --> 01:46:46,800 um uh and new Grange 2788 01:46:52,129 --> 01:46:49,260 you know I I haven't been to Newgrange 2789 01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:52,139 uh bendy Egypt I'm going back to Egypt 2790 01:46:59,149 --> 01:46:56,460 uh here in a few months and uh the 2791 01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:59,159 second time my second trip to Egypt is 2792 01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:00,960 the first one 2793 01:47:06,410 --> 01:47:04,320 you know so special but yeah you just 2794 01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:06,420 learned some and and going back and 2795 01:47:12,290 --> 01:47:09,900 revisiting uh uh Egypt is is going to be 2796 01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:12,300 great too oh yeah absolutely to get my 2797 01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:15,840 head together but it's new Grange that I 2798 01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:18,000 is is on my bucket list and so is 2799 01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:19,920 Pumapunku so I'm gonna get that out of 2800 01:47:27,890 --> 01:47:23,580 the way but Newgrange is freaking old 2801 01:47:30,350 --> 01:47:27,900 and it's perfect and it's beautiful and 2802 01:47:33,169 --> 01:47:30,360 um I'm rather jealous uh that you have 2803 01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:33,179 visited there but it's it's uh 2804 01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:35,880 illumination at different times of the 2805 01:47:43,010 --> 01:47:39,000 year and what it was built for 2806 01:47:47,390 --> 01:47:43,020 um the knowledge of ancient peoples to 2807 01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:47,400 have that down like that is I I I think 2808 01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:50,159 we're way underestimating the knowledge 2809 01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:52,860 of of the Ancients they they understood 2810 01:47:58,750 --> 01:47:54,900 much more than than we give them credit 2811 01:48:01,129 --> 01:47:58,760 for I think so too yeah 2812 01:48:04,010 --> 01:48:01,139 they built that entrance incorrectly 2813 01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:04,020 they have to wait uh six months for the 2814 01:48:07,129 --> 01:48:05,940 next Equinox you know if they and it's a 2815 01:48:08,750 --> 01:48:07,139 shape of that entrance that creates 2816 01:48:11,450 --> 01:48:08,760 creates that you know 2817 01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:11,460 and they would think about your brain 2818 01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,400 right exactly yeah they were just a 2819 01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:16,560 little you know what guys 2820 01:48:21,770 --> 01:48:19,520 we got to start over 2821 01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:21,780 you can imagine how the boss would feel 2822 01:48:26,270 --> 01:48:23,360 or whoever you know 2823 01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:26,280 think about that that little hole at the 2824 01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:28,619 end of new range right right Happy 2825 01:48:32,590 --> 01:48:31,020 Feelings yeah 2826 01:48:38,209 --> 01:48:32,600 yeah anyway 2827 01:48:40,669 --> 01:48:38,219 mentioned uh the finger okay and and uh 2828 01:48:42,890 --> 01:48:40,679 everybody is probably wondering what you 2829 01:48:44,109 --> 01:48:42,900 were talking about I've got a picture of 2830 01:48:48,350 --> 01:48:44,119 it here 2831 01:48:50,990 --> 01:48:48,360 and so I am going to circle my mouse 2832 01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:51,000 right here there it is yeah and it's 2833 01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:54,060 it's it's pointing like this right 2834 01:48:58,850 --> 01:48:56,340 that's what it is and it's right here 2835 01:49:03,470 --> 01:48:58,860 finger pointing at the illuminated stone 2836 01:49:05,149 --> 01:49:03,480 at the end uh Equinox Sunrise uh take us 2837 01:49:07,010 --> 01:49:05,159 through this image I think it's a 2838 01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:07,020 fascinating 2839 01:49:10,970 --> 01:49:09,480 right it it kind of morphs into it looks 2840 01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,980 like a hand with the index finger 2841 01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:13,199 pointing back and it's almost like it's 2842 01:49:18,109 --> 01:49:16,320 fertilized you know symbolically but 2843 01:49:19,850 --> 01:49:18,119 because we can't talk to the builders 2844 01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:19,860 we'll never know but that only lasts for 2845 01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:23,040 about one minute that's at 8 28 and if 2846 01:49:26,990 --> 01:49:24,840 you blink your eyes like a you know if 2847 01:49:29,149 --> 01:49:27,000 you just turn it away for a minute it 2848 01:49:31,129 --> 01:49:29,159 doesn't quite look like that it's so 2849 01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:31,139 it's an image that's very very quick 2850 01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:33,600 it's so cool and then it changes a 2851 01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:34,860 little bit it's kind of softer it 2852 01:49:37,490 --> 01:49:35,820 doesn't have that really like that 2853 01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,500 finger you know it just changed to more 2854 01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:38,880 like a pointer actually like a 2855 01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:42,600 triangular pointer so at 8 28 a.m that's 2856 01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:45,360 what you see and you better not blink or 2857 01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:47,219 be happening with somebody like I do you 2858 01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:48,719 know and turning around and then missing 2859 01:49:53,689 --> 01:49:52,199 it you know so yeah I just found in 2020 2860 01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:53,699 and then we found that one you just 2861 01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:57,360 showed this year three months ago and so 2862 01:50:03,830 --> 01:49:59,280 let's let's back up that's the stone 2863 01:50:06,050 --> 01:50:03,840 here right it goes and 30 minutes later 2864 01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:06,060 the Shadows on top which we don't I 2865 01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,679 don't think you have that image and then 2866 01:50:11,629 --> 01:50:09,119 it goes 30 minutes later to the hand 2867 01:50:16,010 --> 01:50:11,639 pointing at the stone so uh one hour 2868 01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,020 illumination it appears 7 30 to 8 30 and 2869 01:50:19,970 --> 01:50:18,239 then it starts to go away as the Sun 2870 01:50:22,850 --> 01:50:19,980 keeps Rising higher and higher you know 2871 01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:22,860 but we think that might be symbolic of 2872 01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:24,780 an egg being fertilized by the sunlight 2873 01:50:29,629 --> 01:50:26,520 you know a new Grange the Sun goes to 2874 01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,639 the window box 65 feet hits the back uh 2875 01:50:33,890 --> 01:50:31,199 my friend Haley again she thinks it's 2876 01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:33,900 the crucified shape could be cygnus you 2877 01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,840 know the swan you know but it also I 2878 01:50:40,669 --> 01:50:38,760 think represents like a uterus according 2879 01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:40,679 to Haley it's got that kind of t-shaped 2880 01:50:43,729 --> 01:50:42,360 a little bit and so if the sunlight's 2881 01:50:45,410 --> 01:50:43,739 going into new grange on the winter 2882 01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:45,420 solstice maybe it's a fertilization 2883 01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:48,719 thing too you know maybe you know maybe 2884 01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:49,280 maybe 2885 01:50:54,169 --> 01:50:51,780 yeah like I was saying earlier about 2886 01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:54,179 Newgrange that little window 2887 01:50:57,470 --> 01:50:56,159 you're off by a little bit you gotta 2888 01:51:00,830 --> 01:50:57,480 start over 2889 01:51:04,330 --> 01:51:00,840 yeah it won't work it won't work it 2890 01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:08,990 what's next I mean this is uh such a 2891 01:51:14,450 --> 01:51:10,980 special sight 2892 01:51:15,970 --> 01:51:14,460 um and and it's right here in the United 2893 01:51:18,850 --> 01:51:15,980 States 2894 01:51:21,530 --> 01:51:18,860 what's next what are you guys working on 2895 01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,540 well we have been doing the OSL dating 2896 01:51:25,609 --> 01:51:23,280 like I mentioned we've been doing uh the 2897 01:51:27,229 --> 01:51:25,619 lidar the GPR ground penetration radar 2898 01:51:29,149 --> 01:51:27,239 now those images by the way are going to 2899 01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,159 be put together for 3D above and below 2900 01:51:33,050 --> 01:51:31,199 the site uh the two people are working 2901 01:51:36,050 --> 01:51:33,060 together they're friends ones from Mass 2902 01:51:37,370 --> 01:51:36,060 she has her GPR Grand Penitentiary radar 2903 01:51:39,590 --> 01:51:37,380 she's been out of sight already and the 2904 01:51:42,290 --> 01:51:39,600 other one's Elida but we are doing DNA 2905 01:51:45,050 --> 01:51:42,300 on some bones that are found by Goodwin 2906 01:51:47,629 --> 01:51:45,060 uh they were on display in a museum 2907 01:51:50,510 --> 01:51:47,639 forever but in 68 they went to the 2908 01:51:53,330 --> 01:51:50,520 Smithsonian by a school teacher looked 2909 01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:53,340 at by Dr Lucy say hoyan a physical 2910 01:51:58,490 --> 01:51:56,100 Anthropologist three bones kind of two 2911 01:51:59,870 --> 01:51:58,500 long skinny ones one triangular and they 2912 01:52:01,970 --> 01:51:59,880 seem to have markings while the person 2913 01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,980 was still alive on them maybe from 2914 01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:03,840 injury we don't know it brings up a lot 2915 01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,300 of interesting speculation but she said 2916 01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:08,400 my best guess is that these are human 2917 01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:10,679 and she talked about the density of the 2918 01:52:14,270 --> 01:52:12,960 bone the hotness of the bone but in the 2919 01:52:16,250 --> 01:52:14,280 end she goes I think these are human 2920 01:52:18,830 --> 01:52:16,260 well we couldn't do DNA back then we 2921 01:52:22,689 --> 01:52:18,840 didn't carbon date them so my friend L.A 2922 01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:25,310 he uh he's really involved with our site 2923 01:52:29,689 --> 01:52:27,300 and we can't say too much at the time 2924 01:52:31,790 --> 01:52:29,699 but they have been dnaed up at the 2925 01:52:33,709 --> 01:52:31,800 Thunder Bay he's used a laboratory up 2926 01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,719 there uh this year and we get the 2927 01:52:37,010 --> 01:52:35,760 results back recently and I could say 2928 01:52:38,570 --> 01:52:37,020 they weren't animal that was my big 2929 01:52:40,850 --> 01:52:38,580 thing these three bones found in the 2930 01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:40,860 pleasure probably very close to the 2931 01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,719 East-West chamber you were looking at in 2932 01:52:46,729 --> 01:52:44,880 that vicinity how did those bones stay 2933 01:52:49,129 --> 01:52:46,739 there all those years but anyway 2934 01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:49,139 they were there and he found them 85 2935 01:52:54,890 --> 01:52:52,800 years ago but uh the DNA they're not 2936 01:52:56,990 --> 01:52:54,900 animal they weren't Asian they weren't 2937 01:52:57,890 --> 01:52:57,000 Native American anywhere in African the 2938 01:52:59,450 --> 01:52:57,900 paddies were involved with the 2939 01:53:02,330 --> 01:52:59,460 underground Railway so any of these 2940 01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:02,340 possibilities you know but I won't say 2941 01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,960 where they're from but they're an area 2942 01:53:08,030 --> 01:53:05,520 that we're very interested in the new 2943 01:53:09,770 --> 01:53:08,040 old world uh now we're having them cop 2944 01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:09,780 and dated by the same lab my dad used 2945 01:53:14,450 --> 01:53:12,600 back in the 60s through the 90s and 2946 01:53:17,209 --> 01:53:14,460 they're sending them eventually to 2947 01:53:19,550 --> 01:53:17,219 Tucson uh this week and next should be 2948 01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:19,560 30 days we should hear something in LA 2949 01:53:24,410 --> 01:53:22,080 because she's really kind of helping out 2950 01:53:26,350 --> 01:53:24,420 I want to give him you know yeah yeah 2951 01:53:27,970 --> 01:53:26,360 get him on your show 2952 01:53:34,609 --> 01:53:27,980 yeah 2953 01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:34,619 he's such a great guy he's coming here 2954 01:53:38,930 --> 01:53:37,440 in September uh to visit uh which is 2955 01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,940 wonderful you know they could be 2956 01:53:42,350 --> 01:53:40,560 historic bones we just don't know if 2957 01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:42,360 they're ancient then we get really 2958 01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:43,800 something very interesting either way 2959 01:53:47,930 --> 01:53:45,780 it's interesting like why is a body up 2960 01:53:51,290 --> 01:53:47,940 on the site you can't thing in an area 2961 01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,300 with almost no soil cover and but it's 2962 01:53:55,370 --> 01:53:53,040 interesting and then that Oracle chain 2963 01:53:57,470 --> 01:53:55,380 that watch house two of the bones that 2964 01:53:58,729 --> 01:53:57,480 Lucy Saint hoyan looked at in 68 she 2965 01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:58,739 said well I think they're bison bison 2966 01:54:02,270 --> 01:54:00,840 they're found inside this structure and 2967 01:54:04,010 --> 01:54:02,280 she showed them to a male colleague and 2968 01:54:06,050 --> 01:54:04,020 he goes yeah the Woodland bison we're up 2969 01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:06,060 in that area I think they should be 2970 01:54:12,050 --> 01:54:09,060 gated you know uh what are they doing 2971 01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,060 inside that chamber and also in 58 they 2972 01:54:15,530 --> 01:54:13,920 found a stone pendant and a bone pendant 2973 01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:15,540 both had drill holes they were found in 2974 01:54:19,550 --> 01:54:16,980 that same watch House chamber that 2975 01:54:21,890 --> 01:54:19,560 chamber is just that big boulder is a 2976 01:54:24,109 --> 01:54:21,900 lunar minor stand still alignment it's 2977 01:54:26,450 --> 01:54:24,119 also a February first cross quarter day 2978 01:54:28,490 --> 01:54:26,460 and the first hump in its body the 2979 01:54:30,830 --> 01:54:28,500 serpentine body is a November 1st 2980 01:54:32,990 --> 01:54:30,840 alignment and today it's All Saints Day 2981 01:54:34,490 --> 01:54:33,000 or it's called salmon by the Celts but 2982 01:54:36,169 --> 01:54:34,500 it's also in Mesa Verde so Native 2983 01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,179 Americans are doing that too that same 2984 01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,639 cross-coordinate thing so that it's just 2985 01:54:41,689 --> 01:54:40,320 a simply amazing structure that watch 2986 01:54:43,490 --> 01:54:41,699 house which we only saw a little piece 2987 01:54:45,770 --> 01:54:43,500 of it with the illumination and that's 2988 01:54:49,850 --> 01:54:45,780 another thing it does 2989 01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:49,860 that carbon dating is going to uh uh 2990 01:54:55,250 --> 01:54:52,500 make some people angry you just assume 2991 01:55:00,830 --> 01:54:57,950 just just thank you for all that you do 2992 01:55:03,410 --> 01:55:00,840 uh the site is historic it's very very 2993 01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:03,420 important and we're all out there 2994 01:55:07,070 --> 01:55:05,280 chasing knowledge and it's because of 2995 01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:07,080 you that we do this I just want to thank 2996 01:55:12,410 --> 01:55:09,420 you again so much for coming back on the 2997 01:55:14,209 --> 01:55:12,420 show with us uh I'll give La a call but 2998 01:55:17,090 --> 01:55:14,219 uh we've got results that are going to 2999 01:55:18,770 --> 01:55:17,100 be coming in and uh I can't wait to hear 3000 01:55:20,270 --> 01:55:18,780 about it 3001 01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:20,280 yeah I would love to be back on your 3002 01:55:23,450 --> 01:55:22,020 show again and I think we'll have some 3003 01:55:25,129 --> 01:55:23,460 more things to show you we've got some 3004 01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:25,139 really other beautiful photographs when 3005 01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:26,820 we have time we'll show you some more of 3006 01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,520 the alignments and stuff but the uh the 3007 01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,440 latest things look really quite 3008 01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:33,360 interesting we should know them by 3009 01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:35,760 August I think on that on that common 3010 01:55:39,229 --> 01:55:36,840 day 3011 01:55:41,169 --> 01:55:39,239 be safe and be well Dennis thank you 3012 01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,179 thank you so much Jimmy 3013 01:55:47,209 --> 01:55:43,920 great show Dennis Stone America 3014 01:55:49,850 --> 01:55:47,219 Stonehenge and uh for everybody it's 3015 01:55:54,609 --> 01:55:49,860 it's uh it's a very very very simple 3016 01:55:58,010 --> 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